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Re: Will Trump bend or break?

Postby macliam » Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:59 pm

Chadwick wrote:I'm all for him making America Great Again.

But I'm wondering when he's going to start?

Perhaps he's deliberately dragging the US backwards to make the starting point a bit easier?

The problem appears to start when countries start to look over their shoulders at some supposed past glory - whilst ignoring any negative aspects. It's a bit like reading history and saying "How great it would be to be Napoleon!", without thinking about the misery his wars caused to countless thousands or even his own health issues (chronic piles) and a relatively early death (he was only 51).

Like the UK, America was great when half the world was struggling to survive, when nobody could threaten their security and when she was able to supply goods that nobody else could provide. America became great by isolating herself from world affairs, looking after her own interests and watching whilst her rivals tore themselves to bits in two world wars.

To return to Napoleon, it seems he foresaw Trump - he said "In politics stupidity is not a handicap"
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Re: Will Trump bend or break?

Postby expressman33 » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:13 pm

Everybody complains when a politician makes promises then once in power goes back on them. Whether you agree or disagree with his policies ,Trump is doing what he said he would do in his manifesto

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Re: Will Trump bend or break?

Postby macliam » Mon Jan 30, 2017 6:35 pm

expressman33 wrote:Everybody complains when a politician makes promises then once in power goes back on them. Whether you agree or disagree with his policies ,Trump is doing what he said he would do in his manifesto

... so did Hitler
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Re: Will Trump bend or break?

Postby anthonyh » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:31 pm

expressman33 wrote:Everybody complains when a politician makes promises then once in power goes back on them. Whether you agree or disagree with his policies ,Trump is doing what he said he would do in his manifesto


And what people voted for :thumbup:

Regardless of your opinions, it is a refreshing change for a politician to actually carry out these bold headline policies rather than just sit back and do nothing for their term trying to keep everyone happy. You can only change things by actually doing something. Only time will tell...

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Re: Will Trump bend or break?

Postby macliam » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:56 pm

anthonyh wrote:
expressman33 wrote:Everybody complains when a politician makes promises then once in power goes back on them. Whether you agree or disagree with his policies ,Trump is doing what he said he would do in his manifesto


And what people voted for :thumbup:

Regardless of your opinions, it is a refreshing change for a politician to actually carry out these bold headline policies rather than just sit back and do nothing for their term trying to keep everyone happy. You can only change things by actually doing something. Only time will tell...

The problem is, there is a code of law and of ethics - so carrying out "bold headline policies" requires a degree of consensus. I read a book published in 1935 that had the unforgettable phrase "If Herr Hitler can do for Germany what Signor Mussolini has done for Italy............." ........ there again, it also claimed that the speed of time was equal to the speed of sound :shock:

All this might seem OTT, but Mussolini came to power by claiming that all other politicians were corrupt and Italy needed to return to its former glory.... He created an "anti-Party" after the debacle of WW1 and used the media to publicise his views and undermine the traditional parties. You might be interested to read This.
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Re: Will Trump bend or break?

Postby Derbiean » Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:41 am

anthonyh wrote:
expressman33 wrote:Everybody complains when a politician makes promises then once in power goes back on them. Whether you agree or disagree with his policies ,Trump is doing what he said he would do in his manifesto


And what people voted for :thumbup:

Regardless of your opinions, it is a refreshing change for a politician to actually carry out these bold headline policies rather than just sit back and do nothing for their term trying to keep everyone happy. You can only change things by actually doing something. Only time will tell...


Yes because its refreshing to see somebody in power inflict their personal viewpoint on everyone else :crazy: The only people who stand to benefit are the people in power and the fascists that voted for them, everyone else will suffer under this regime especially muslims but screw them they ain't people.

And now he's fired Sally Yates because she disagreed with the EO and is crying that she betrayed the DOJ, the guy is a manchild its pathetic but whatever as long as he's "refreshing" all the harm he does is okay. :wtf:

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Re: Will Trump bend or break?

Postby Pandora » Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:09 am

macliam wrote:
expressman33 wrote:Everybody complains when a politician makes promises then once in power goes back on them. Whether you agree or disagree with his policies ,Trump is doing what he said he would do in his manifesto

... so did Hitler


Here is the 25 point program (Munich Platform) of the National Socialist German Workers' Party aka NSDAP, or as we liked to call them Nazis.
http://www.hitler.org/writings/programme/

It's pretty clear that "no Jew may be a member of the nation". But I don''t think they ever promised to exterminate them. In fact I think, they tried to keep that one quiet.

It's also pretty clear on the "abolition of incomes unearned by work" and the demand for the "nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations", which all sounds a bit left-wing to me. I suspect that's why they were 'national socialists'.

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Re: Will Trump bend or break?

Postby Chadwick » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:28 am

anthonyh wrote:Regardless of your opinions, it is a refreshing change for a politician to actually carry out these bold headline policies rather than just sit back and do nothing for their term trying to keep everyone happy. You can only change things by actually doing something. Only time will tell...


That's what the US citizens marooned around the world are saying. "I know I have a life, a job, family, friends, commitments, heck, even a car in an expensive airport car park in America, but isn't it refreshing to be removed from the plane and told my US citizenship has been temporarily suspended"

Or

"I know all the science points to global warming and that this could impact on our ability to grow crops, or live in low-lying areas, but isn't it refreshing that the official government agencies can't tell us about it any more."

Or

"I know many more people were at Obama's inauguration than Trump's, but isn't it refreshing that the opposite is also an alternative fact."

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Re: Will Trump bend or break?

Postby macliam » Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:01 pm

Pandora wrote:
macliam wrote:
expressman33 wrote:Everybody complains when a politician makes promises then once in power goes back on them. Whether you agree or disagree with his policies ,Trump is doing what he said he would do in his manifesto

... so did Hitler


Here is the 25 point program (Munich Platform) of the National Socialist German Workers' Party aka NSDAP, or as we liked to call them Nazis.
http://www.hitler.org/writings/programme/

It's pretty clear that "no Jew may be a member of the nation". But I don''t think they ever promised to exterminate them. In fact I think, they tried to keep that one quiet.

It's also pretty clear on the "abolition of incomes unearned by work" and the demand for the "nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations", which all sounds a bit left-wing to me. I suspect that's why they were 'national socialists'.

I didn't say Hitler didn't do MORE than his manifesto, but he did what he said he'd do - he refuted the constraints of the Versailles treaty, he demanded the incorporation of Volksdeutsch areas into a greater Reich, he fed on the anti-semitism and anti-commercial feelings of the post-war Germany, he insisted on a Germany that would take it's "rightful place" at the world's table.

My 1935 book marvelled at the way he had the railways running like clockwork, was building the Autobahn network (taking a leaf from Mussolini's book) and had instilled a "national spirit" into the people. Mussolini had been a socialist and took some of his ideas from there, but the skill was in whipping up the workers to provide a revolutionary force whilst telling the rich that they were better off with him than with the Communists. Hitler did the same - he had little respect for the old "Aristos", but left them with their lands and incomes because they gave his policies a hint of legitimacy.

Now I'm not sying Trump will be another Hitler or even a Mussolini - but he doesn't need to go that far. A certain non-military financial wizard came to power not far from here in the early 20th century and set about renewing the national spirit, fixing the economy and controlling the lives of his people with "Faith, Football and Fado (music)". His name was Antonio Salazar and he was the longest-ruling fascist leader in Europe. His Estado Novo had it's secret police, torture and executions too - and Amnesty International was founded in 1961 when two students were given 7 years hard labour for allegedly "having drunk a toast to liberty".

Meanwhile the apologists in the world just looked on and did nothing...... but then, there's a difference between the power of the USA and that of Portugal!
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Re: Will Trump bend or break?

Postby dorisifa » Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:15 pm

A cold drink on a hot day is "refreshing". A morally bankrupt narcissist and fantasist out of his depth imposing legally, practically and ethically flawed edicts without oversight or the inclusion of any of the relevant agencies that cause needless distress, chaos and confusion and serve no actual purpose other than to feed the spite and ignorance of his support and himself - "refreshing" isn't quite the word. But that he has done something that sort of pretends to be like something he said he would do, that might indicate honesty and integrity - so long as you're prepared to wilfully ignore absolutely everything else.
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