anti-Zionism=anti-semitism?

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Re: anti-Zionism=anti-semitism?

Postby blythburgh » Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:45 am

I will ask the LIbDems to expell anyone who says something that upsets me. What is the betting I get ignored.

If someone of Palestinian descent is a member of the Labour Party is upset by a pro Israel statement by a senior Labour member will that mean action will be taken?

No of course not.

Labour seems to be confusing Zionism, the Israeli Govt. and Jews in general. Not all Jews, some religious Jews, others merely Jewish by birth who at times condemn what the Isreali Govt. does and the way it treats Palestinians. Not all Jews want this witch hunt of Livingstone for stating facts.

If you speak of Hitler and Jews in the same sentence unless it is critical of Hitler then it is an inconvenient truth that must not be attacked.

And do not forget Hitler "went mad" as Livingstone put it killed disabled and homosexuals as they were not wanted in his pure Aryan country. And Jews lie when they say they were special case as he tried to wipe out a race of people. He also sent every Roma he could to the gas chambers so he could eliminate every Roma/Gypsy from the face of the earth as well as Jews.

I have never been a fan of Ken Livingstone and often critical of the company he has publicly kept in the past. But this time I am 100% on his side.

What has happened to him has nothing to do with eliminating Antisemitism in the Labour Party but a witch hunt led by the powerful Jewish lobby and supported by the right wing media.
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Re: anti-Zionism=anti-semitism?

Postby macliam » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:47 am

...you might say that, I couldn't possibly comment!

- As someone with left-of-centre views and a long-term critic of the "new" Tories since Thatcher and her view that "there is no such thing as society", I despair at the state of the Labour party.
- As someone who argued with activists that Foot could say what he liked, but would not be able to implement his views unless he was elected to power, I have a strong sense of déjà vu.
- As someone who witnessed the attempts of the Militant Tendency to infiltrate and change the direction of the Labour party, I am seeing and hearing the same things, but now from within the shadow cabinet.
- As someone who criticised Blair for his lax attitudes to globalization and populism, but accepted the opportunity his election provided to advance social welfare issues, I reject the demonization of his entire time in power and the roll-back of the advances made.

Labour has reacted to the strength of a selfish, reactionary Tory party by committing political hara-kiri. The also-rans and rebels of the past, who had little positive to say then, have come to power and still have little positive to say. To justify their position and court support, they have opened the doors to international socialists, socialist workers party and political malcontents who never had any chance of gaining power under their own flag and had and have little to offer the wider electorate.

The growth of such a disparate membership, who have been given the opportunity to hijack the party, now sees anyone who demurs branded a "Blairite", regardless of their past service and experience. Now, the ridiculous attack on Ken Livingstone - no ally to Blair - shows that the party is now starting to eat itself, like all such revolutions have done in the past. George Orwell would recognize the story....

Sad.
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Re: anti-Zionism=anti-semitism?

Postby William Joseph » Fri Apr 07, 2017 11:30 am

More worrying and for the future, who do I vote for in May at the County Council elections? I certainly do not want to go down the road of protest voting. IMO there is no one at the moment worthy of my vote.
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Re: anti-Zionism=anti-semitism?

Postby Sarah » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:38 pm

Perhaps vote on the basis of local issues? If you can find out what any of the candidates actually stand for...!

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Re: anti-Zionism=anti-semitism?

Postby William Joseph » Fri Apr 07, 2017 12:48 pm

Sarah wrote:Perhaps vote on the basis of local issues? If you can find out what any of the candidates actually stand for...!
Very little info is given out beforehand, in my experience.
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Re: anti-Zionism=anti-semitism?

Postby blythburgh » Sat Apr 08, 2017 6:26 am

Does not really matter who I vote for at the District Elections.

The Tories have gerrymandered the District Councils so Waveney which could have Labour or Tory and on one occasion a Labour/Lib Dem majority. Now Waveney has been merged with Suffolk Coastal "to save money".

So we now have two districts joined together, a long thin Council area, about 50 miles from one end to the other.

And as Suffolk Coastal is the sort of Parliamentary and Council seat where in the Tories know they are going to be in charge I wonder why I should bother. The Suffolk Coastal and the Waveney Tory votes will mean there will always be a Tory majority.

But I will vote because women suffered and even died to make sure women like me could vote. I owe them nothing less than walking the few yards down to the Scout HQ and vote.
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Re: anti-Zionism=anti-semitism?

Postby William Joseph » Sat Apr 08, 2017 7:20 am

To a certain extent, I can agree with you. but I do not want to give JC the satisfaction of being able to say the Labour vote held or TM to say the Tory vote surged. Given the circumstances I would normally vote LD but I really cannot go along with the current leaders policy. So at 62 it looks as though it is going to be the first time ever I have not voted.
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Re: anti-Zionism=anti-semitism?

Postby pabenny » Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:39 am

William Joseph wrote:More worrying and for the future, who do I vote for in May at the County Council elections? I certainly do not want to go down the road of protest voting. IMO there is no one at the moment worthy of my vote.


Yes indeed. AFAIK, there are no elections where I live but I share the dilemma.

It is deeply worrying for democracy in the UK that we have an weak and ineffective opposition, whose leadership seems to want to push party policy to the margins. This is not even about one party or another: little parliamentary challenge to those in power and little prospect of electoral defeat makes for bad government.

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Re: anti-Zionism=anti-semitism?

Postby macliam » Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:44 am

William Joseph wrote:To a certain extent, I can agree with you. but I do not want to give JC the satisfaction of being able to say the Labour vote held or TM to say the Tory vote surged. Given the circumstances I would normally vote LD but I really cannot go along with the current leaders policy. So at 62 it looks as though it is going to be the first time ever I have not voted.

I feel the same - but, as a resident of Suffolk Coastal, I could vote for anyone and the Tory would win even if a donkey stood :(
So many non-voters, not because of lack of interest but because of lack of choice.....

Back to the OP, I'm glad I don't have "friends" like Diane Abbott - who has spent a lot of time deleting past her tweets in support of Ken Livingstone since his suspension (https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/diane-abbott-gets-cold-feet-about-ken-livingstone/#) and then waffled a non-answer on the last Question Time when asked if he should be expelled from the party. Right On Sister! Party above principles.....
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