kevinchess1 wrote: ↑Sat May 25 2019 10:45pm
Chadwick wrote: ↑Thu May 23 2019 8:20pm
If you are a frustrated Brexiteer, feeling let down by the government and the two major parties, voting for any pro-brexit party will not advance your cause. Bizarrely, the only way to get your voice heard and to tell the government what kind of brexit you want, is to support a 2nd ref. And that means in this election, voting for the LibDems or the Greens (or Plaid in Wales, SNP in Scotland).
These parties are campaigning to stop what we are doing and put it o the public again. But this time to phrase the question more carefully. Instead of running round like headless chickens, arguing over what 'leave' means, a 2nd ref will allow us to make it clear.
And what exactly. Would the referendum question be in your opinion?
If its exactly the same as last time then what would be the point
Are you really confident that the result would be any different from last time?
Because i'm not
And what if the result was 51-49 to remain or Less than 17,000,000 voted to stay
Would it become 'Best-of-three?'
If the referendum was 'Leave without a deal' or 'Stay' that might be closer but would either side be happy with the result?
IN MY OPINION another vote make the position worse, if that's is actually possible
I think another vote would make the situation less bad. I'm not sure what the exact question should be, but it needs to reflect the actual options available to us. Last time, 'remain' and 'leave' were quite loose definitions. As has now been proven beyond any dispute, 'leave' in particular covered a wide range of options. One of the biggest mistakes was to trigger Article 50 before we knew what we wanted 'leave' to mean. But that's an old story now, so lets move on.
I think the 2nd ref has to be a form of 'alternative vote', where we rank the options in order of preference. If no one option gets majority (50%?) support, then the lowest scoring option is discarded. The 'discarded' votes are reexamined and their second choices are added to the appropriate totals. And so on until there is a majority winner. There may be a better voting system, but something on those lines will ensure we get a 'most supported' result.
The advantage of an AV system, is that all the options could be on the table, including cancelling Art50 are remaining in the EU. For remain to win, it will have to beat all the other Brexit options combined. If 52% of the population favour some other form of brexit, then the laws of mathematics mean the remain choice will not win - it will always come second to the most popular Brexit option.
That would tell the government exactly what form of brexit we want, and then finally, they might just be able to get on with it and deliver what we voted for - because they will know what we voted for.