Re: How dare you, Jo
Posted: Wed Sep 11 2019 9:57pm
Well, yes, perhaps I am thinking of simpler times. But that's the principle.
Well, yes, perhaps I am thinking of simpler times. But that's the principle.
A manifesto is a series of things that they want to do if in Govt. People choose to vote for the party that has more of the stuff they really want their Govt. to do than the other parties. Or to try and stop a different party winning.Chadwick wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11 2019 2:11pmIt is democracy.blythburgh wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11 2019 10:21amThis is not democracy. If the conference backs this vote then that is democracy within the party. But it is not the democracy I can vote for. If this becomes official party policy then I definitely will not be voting LibDem at the next General Election or any other election until this stance is dropped.
I want a People's vote on the eventual deal or no deal that is on offer. I will never support a move that is so undemocratic.
People vote for political parties based on what they say they will do in their manifesto.
If enough people back a party, that is a mandate for that party to do what it said it would do.
It's a more direct form of democracy than a referendum. There is a built-in expectation that the winning party will put its manifesto into action.
A referendum by contrast is just an opinion poll. It requires a further separate commitment from government to achieve anything approaching the status of a GE manifesto.
Nicola Sturgeon wants another Scottish referendum so why shouldn't we if there is a remain vote ?AAAlphaThunder wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11 2019 12:35pmThrow good money after bad money.expressman33 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11 2019 10:44amIf we do have another referendum then one of the options should be that if there is a remain vote then we should have a further referendum in 5 years time
The only justification for a 2nd Scottish one is the whole of Britain was in the EU when the last one was done, the majority of Scots voted remain but will be forced to leave. How strong that justification is I am in two minds aboutexpressman33 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12 2019 10:31amNicola Sturgeon wants another Scottish referendum so why shouldn't we if there is a remain vote ?AAAlphaThunder wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11 2019 12:35pmThrow good money after bad money.expressman33 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 11 2019 10:44amIf we do have another referendum then one of the options should be that if there is a remain vote then we should have a further referendum in 5 years time
Why is that not democracy?blythburgh wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12 2019 10:11amAnd on the subject of a People's Vote I had done some surveys recently that have included a Brexit question that asks if I want to stop Brexit completely and stay in the EU. I could never countenance that happening. That is not democracy and I want nothing to do with it
Brexit crosses party boundaries and though we want to leave/remain the party we choose to vote for in a GE might take an opposing view. But we still have to make a choice of party and choose the one that best represents our views on many things. Brexit is too important to be buried by the other things that influence how we vote but then again so is the economy, health service, environment etc. We should not have to vote for the party that will give us the brexit we want but we think will not give us the other things we care just as deeply about.pabenny wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12 2019 10:55amWhy is that not democracy?blythburgh wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12 2019 10:11amAnd on the subject of a People's Vote I had done some surveys recently that have included a Brexit question that asks if I want to stop Brexit completely and stay in the EU. I could never countenance that happening. That is not democracy and I want nothing to do with it
There is a difference between what I want (Monster Raving Looney Party winning an overall majority) and being accepting the majority vote (MRLP loose their deposit everywhere except Norfolk).