Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by pabenny » Wed Nov 03 2021 10:31am

What do you think that's explaining?
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by Richard Frost » Wed Nov 03 2021 10:45am

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Silly explanation, it implies the EU is stealing something. Which is just not true. They just want to fish in UK waters and abide by a legally agreed treaty. For whatever reason they feel they are being denied this because of British bureaucracy.
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by blythburgh » Wed Nov 03 2021 11:09am

What really got up my nose was a "Today" interview with a Govt. Minister. He was questioned about the Govt, dept report that Brexit would cost the UK economy far more than Covid.

His reply which was not properly challenged was: "I heard all that before the referendum". Yes, we remainers said Brexit would be damaging to the economy. This report from a trusted and well respected group is basing its findings on facts not supposition.

Covid has damaged the UK economy but Brexit has, so far, done far more damage.

When will a leading Brexiteer admit to this fact?
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by expressman33 » Wed Nov 03 2021 11:25am

Richard Frost wrote:
Wed Nov 03 2021 10:45am
Silly explanation, it implies the EU is stealing something. Which is just not true. They just want to fish in UK waters and abide by a legally agreed treaty. For whatever reason they feel they are being denied this because of British bureaucracy.
I wonder how many British boats fish between the 6 and 12 miles of France ? I heard it mentioned on the news that France had only issued 1 license to UK vessels but I can't find any reference to this on the Internet.
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by pabenny » Wed Nov 03 2021 11:36am

It's not remotely as simple as that.

For a start, what did the withdrawal treaty say about fishing rights and obligations? Are the respective governments complying with those treaty obligations?

I don't know the answers. But I do know that fishing is a minute portion of the UK economy that affects hardly any of us. And I strongly suspect this dispute has been amplified by Brexit-supporting politicians and newsmedia to distract from other consequences of Brexit such as staff shortages across numerous sectors.
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by Richard Frost » Wed Nov 03 2021 11:51am

expressman33 wrote:
Wed Nov 03 2021 11:25am
Richard Frost wrote:
Wed Nov 03 2021 10:45am
Silly explanation, it implies the EU is stealing something. Which is just not true. They just want to fish in UK waters and abide by a legally agreed treaty. For whatever reason they feel they are being denied this because of British bureaucracy.
I wonder how many British boats fish between the 6 and 12 miles of France ?
Not sure of the relevance, I am not aware of any complaints Britain has regarding any licences the French may or may not have issued. As has already been mentioned
But I do know that fishing is a minute portion of the UK economy that affects hardly any of us.
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by expressman33 » Wed Nov 03 2021 1:54pm

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Wed Nov 03 2021 11:51am
Not sure of the relevance, I am not aware of any complaints Britain has regarding any licences the French may or may not have issued. As has already been mentioned
But I do know that fishing is a minute portion of the UK economy that affects hardly any of us.
Why did France seize the British trawler ?
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by Richard Frost » Wed Nov 03 2021 2:00pm

expressman33 wrote:
Wed Nov 03 2021 1:54pm
Richard Frost wrote:
Wed Nov 03 2021 11:51am
Not sure of the relevance, I am not aware of any complaints Britain has regarding any licences the French may or may not have issued. As has already been mentioned
But I do know that fishing is a minute portion of the UK economy that affects hardly any of us.
Why did France seize the British trawler ?
My understanding from this report https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59136697 is that the French claim that the trawler did not have the correct licence.
Sources at the environment department told the BBC the boat's impoundment is viewed as a "routine enforcement action" by the French and is not connected to the wider fishing row, so is unlikely to be raised as part of negotiations on licences.

However, last week Ms Girardin said standard checks on British vessels had been undertaken against "the backdrop of the tightening of controls in the Channel, in the context of discussions on licences with the United Kingdom and the European Commission".

She added that the trawler had been fishing in the Bay of Seine without the proper licences.

Macduff Shellfish has said the boat had a licence to fish in EU waters earlier this year and that it did not yet understand why the vessel had been removed from the authorised list.
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by blythburgh » Thu Nov 04 2021 10:13am

expressman33 wrote:
Wed Nov 03 2021 1:54pm
Richard Frost wrote:
Wed Nov 03 2021 11:51am
Not sure of the relevance, I am not aware of any complaints Britain has regarding any licences the French may or may not have issued. As has already been mentioned
But I do know that fishing is a minute portion of the UK economy that affects hardly any of us.
Why did France seize the British trawler ?
For similar reasons for us seizing foreign trawlers. I live in a once thriving deep sea fishing port so know it happens. No longer a deep sea fishing port because the trawler owners sold their fishing quota to the Dutch. Nothing really to do with the EU but they could make more money easier by supporting the oil and gas fields in the North Sea hence the sale.
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by macliam » Thu Nov 04 2021 11:09am

The whole fishing fiasco is a massive red herring on the UK side (pun intended).

The market for fish and seafood in the UK for home-caught produce is not strong, so much of the fish caught was exported - however, Brexit makes that much more problematical. For example, when was the last time you ate a Spider Crab or saw one for sale? Never? Yet they are plentiful here and very popular in Iberia.... when did you last buy a fresh crab? Ditto. How many pilchards do you eat? What about other fish (excluding Cod)? So, if export is blocked, what will happen to it?

As BB said, many UK fishermen sold their quotas to European fishermen, totally legally. Equally, some things that do have a market in the UK lie outside UK waters (remember the Cod War?) and those UK fishermen may find their access constrained by changes due to Brexit. This appears to be one factor in the recent seizure of the boat in France.

There is antipathy between the UK and French governments, irrespective of the EU, so to conflate a bilateral spat into an us-and-them, anti-EU whinge is ridiculous. The French have elections and other fish to fry in this game and the UK are looking for any excuse to renege on the NI Protocol. The French are claiming the UK are enforcing agreed rules too vigorously - which is exactly the claim made by the UK about the protocol!!

In any case, fishing is a negligible contributor to the UK economy.
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