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Post by kevinchess1 » Tue May 11 2021 3:36pm

No, this isn't a post about a new Marvel film featuring Deadpool's lesser known fat cousin, but to say that Labour lost the by election

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-57019975

Not really a surprise to most of us, Where do labour go from here? back to infighting and the Blame game I'm guessing
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Post by Sarah » Tue May 11 2021 4:43pm

They need to accept that Labour most likely can't beat the Conservatives on their own and start to form alliances with other parties. This government is busy dismantling our democracy and judicial system with every passing day; the next general election might be the last chance to stop it, if not already too late...
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Post by tonyg » Tue May 11 2021 7:48pm

Yeah they need to form an alliance with that party that nicked all their seats in Scotland and help them gain independence. That's a short term solution. :)
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Post by blythburgh » Wed May 12 2021 10:25am

tonyg wrote:
Tue May 11 2021 7:48pm
Yeah they need to form an alliance with that party that nicked all their seats in Scotland and help them gain independence. That's a short term solution. :)
And if the Tories have not rigged the elections in their favour already an Independent Scotland will do it. Most seats but far less than 50% of the votes.

To be honest I think Labour shot themselves in the foot by a) choosing some other constituency's cast off and b) choosing someone who was a very strong remainer to represent a strongly brexit constituency.
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Post by blythburgh » Wed May 12 2021 10:30am

It is not a good set of election results to decide how Labour is doing. The public looked at the vaccine roll out success and forgot that Johnson refused to have lockdowns until he was forced to. That the Tories got hospitals to send people with covid (they were not tested) to the care homes. Thousands of unnecessary deaths due to Johnsons poor decisions. The lack of proper PPE stuff for all in hospitals and care homes also led to unnecessary deaths. British firms who could supply stuff were ignored in favour of pals companies.

All of the above was forgotten or not known by Joe Public who only thought about the vaccine rollout. And to be fair to the Govt. they did order early and get the vaccines out there
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Post by Sarah » Wed May 12 2021 11:05am

There has been some degree of backlash against the Tories down south and especially in areas that are already hardest hit by Brexit, such as Kent. This isn't getting much press coverage, although neither is it of national significance yet; the Labour woes being a bigger and easier story to tell.

The apparent vaccine success also includes other factors such as luck, reportedly paying higher prices, relatively low hesitancy in the UK particularly for the AZ jab (which will be less of an advantage as we start to invite younger age groups to get their shots) and NHS involvement in the rollout.

There's now a 12 million dose vaccine stockpile in the UK; that's not throughput or unfulfilled orders but actual product sitting unused, mostly for nearly 2 months now and still rising.

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Post by gle1975 » Thu May 13 2021 9:27am

Sarah wrote:
Tue May 11 2021 4:43pm
They need to accept that Labour most likely can't beat the Conservatives on their own and start to form alliances with other parties. This government is busy dismantling our democracy and judicial system with every passing day; the next general election might be the last chance to stop it, if not already too late...
David Allen Green wrote:This illiberal Queen’s Speech is the next step for authoritarian populism after Brexit
https://davidallengreen.com/2021/05/thi ... er-brexit/
It seems strange now that after 1992 Labour thought they could not win a general election and planned to work closely with the Lib Dems. Then people got sick of the conservatives, there was a lot of tactical voting in 1997 and Labour got a giant majority. Maybe it will happen again - especially the tactical voting.

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Post by blythburgh » Thu May 13 2021 9:35am

blythburgh wrote:
Wed May 12 2021 10:30am
It is not a good set of election results to decide how Labour is doing. The public looked at the vaccine roll out success and forgot that Johnson refused to have lockdowns until he was forced to. That the Tories got hospitals to send people with covid (they were not tested) to the care homes. Thousands of unnecessary deaths due to Johnsons poor decisions. The lack of proper PPE stuff for all in hospitals and care homes also led to unnecessary deaths. British firms who could supply stuff were ignored in favour of pals companies.

All of the above was forgotten or not known by Joe Public who only thought about the vaccine rollout. And to be fair to the Govt. they did order early and get the vaccines out there
"We are not safe until everyone is safe" the experts say. India tells us what can happen and we sit on vaccines when the developing world is unable to get any. Why?
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Post by blythburgh » Thu May 13 2021 9:37am

gle1975 wrote:
Thu May 13 2021 9:27am
Sarah wrote:
Tue May 11 2021 4:43pm
They need to accept that Labour most likely can't beat the Conservatives on their own and start to form alliances with other parties. This government is busy dismantling our democracy and judicial system with every passing day; the next general election might be the last chance to stop it, if not already too late...
David Allen Green wrote:This illiberal Queen’s Speech is the next step for authoritarian populism after Brexit
https://davidallengreen.com/2021/05/thi ... er-brexit/
It seems strange now that after 1992 Labour thought they could not win a general election and planned to work closely with the Lib Dems. Then people got sick of the conservatives, there was a lot of tactical voting in 1997 and Labour got a giant majority. Maybe it will happen again - especially the tactical voting.
I considered voting Labour despite Corbyn and a very nasty local candidate (not even a lot of Labour members like her) but decided our sitting Tory MP would be elected again. He was with well over 50% of the vote. So my pointless vote for my MP was one more in the national total for the LibDems
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Post by expressman33 » Thu May 13 2021 3:36pm

Sarah wrote:
Wed May 12 2021 11:05am

There's now a 12 million dose vaccine stockpile in the UK; that's not throughput or unfulfilled orders but actual product sitting unused, mostly for nearly 2 months now and still rising.
That's less than 1 months useage at the current rate of vaccinations.

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