London Mayor too close a friend of extinction rebellion to do his job?

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Re: London Mayor too close a friend of extinction rebellion to do his job?

Post by Boro Boy » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:08 am

pabenny wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:40 am
Boro Boy wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 2:05 am
... lets just clean up the earth ...
pabenny wrote:
Sun Oct 13, 2019 3:37 pm
So you have no suggestions of your own for policies that you would support to combat pollution.
And you seem to be opposed to anything that is 'stick-like' - ie imposing charges or restrictions on those who pollute.
Still not willing to offer specific policies to clean up the earth that you would support?
If you read my previous entries you would be aware that I am likely to support the less evasive approach; the carrot not the stick.

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Re: London Mayor too close a friend of extinction rebellion to do his job?

Post by pabenny » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:27 am

Boro Boy wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:08 am
..the carrot not the stick.
Mr Boro Boy, you keep saying that but never go as far as describing specific 'carrot' policies that you would support.

Isn't the real reason you oppose most green policies is that you dislike the people or groups who support them.
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Re: London Mayor too close a friend of extinction rebellion to do his job?

Post by Boro Boy » Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:46 am

pabenny wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:27 am
Boro Boy wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:08 am
..the carrot not the stick.
Mr Boro Boy, you keep saying that but never go as far as describing specific 'carrot' policies that you would support.

Isn't the real reason you oppose most green policies is that you dislike the people or groups who support them.
How presumptive (or is it provocative) of you!?! My dislike is of the people who undemocratically would like to impose their distorted will on others.

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Re: London Mayor too close a friend of extinction rebellion to do his job?

Post by blythburgh » Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:48 am

Boro Boy wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:46 am
My dislike is of the people who undemocratically would like to impose their distorted will on others.
Many people would disagree with you
Keep smiling because the light at the end of someone's tunnel may be you, Ron Cheneler

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Re: London Mayor too close a friend of extinction rebellion to do his job?

Post by pabenny » Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:04 pm

Boro Boy wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:46 am
How presumptive (or is it provocative) of you!?! My dislike is of the people who undemocratically would like to impose their distorted will on others.
On that basis, why do you oppose the London ultra low emission zone? It has been implemented by a democratically elected mayor and (afaik) the harmful effects of NOx and PM are not controversial.
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Re: London Mayor too close a friend of extinction rebellion to do his job?

Post by Boro Boy » Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:08 pm

pabenny wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:04 pm
Boro Boy wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 9:46 am
How presumptive (or is it provocative) of you!?! My dislike is of the people who undemocratically would like to impose their distorted will on others.
On that basis, why do you oppose the London ultra low emission zone? It has been implemented by a democratically elected mayor and (afaik) the harmful effects of NOx and PM are not controversial.
I wonder if it has a democratic majority of car and taxi drivers in Central London...!?!
You should be aware that Labour Party advisors are suggesting policy of doing away with all private transport. Think about ULEZ being the first step towards this and decide where you want to make your stand to stop that happening. Then think about the alternative of a carrot policy rather than the present stick policy and future proposals. :wtf:

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Re: London Mayor too close a friend of extinction rebellion to do his job?

Post by Chadwick » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:22 pm

Boro Boy wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:00 am
Chadwick wrote:To continue working with the fibre analogy, no we don't claim it is the end of the line, but yes, we do encourage people to switch over to the current best option rather than wait and see if something better emerges in 10 years time.

You appear to be arguing that until we know for definite what causes rapid climate change, we should not act on the knowledge we do have.
Continuing the use of your optical fibre analogy. If fibre was that good everyone would be scrambling to get it on day one when it was first announced if it was available to them. But they don't scrambling for it because many do not see the benefit of it out balancing the cost! Now this doesn't make them wrong and in the fibre analogy world they can take their fibre junk mail and put it in the rubbish and not have it stuffed down their throats by people who love to tell other people what to do and thinking they are doing this from a position of some authority when of course they are not they are merely workers for a big company.

Also how will fibre optics stop the tilt of the earth? :lol: :lol: :lol:
So, you don't think the benefits of reducing environmental pollution and global warming are worth the cost?
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Re: London Mayor too close a friend of extinction rebellion to do his job?

Post by Chadwick » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:27 pm

Boro Boy wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:08 pm
You should be aware that Labour Party advisors are suggesting policy of doing away with all private transport.
Your memory is appalling.
Do you not recall any of this conversation: viewtopic.php?f=36&t=87663&p=242072

For example, this bit:
pabenny wrote:
Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:22 am
You're wholly misreading it. Ed Miliband is on the advisory board to Common Wealth, the think tank who produced the report - not the advisory board to the Labour leadership. The second news report says the same thing.
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Re: London Mayor too close a friend of extinction rebellion to do his job?

Post by pabenny » Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:54 pm

Boro Boy wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:08 pm
I wonder if it has a democratic majority of car and taxi drivers in Central London...!?!
What's that got to do with it? Everyone in London has to breathe the air that is polluted - not just those causing the pollution. And everyone (living in Greater London) got the chance to vote for the present Mayor.
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Re: London Mayor too close a friend of extinction rebellion to do his job?

Post by Boro Boy » Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:22 pm

Chadwick wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:22 pm
Boro Boy wrote:
Mon Oct 14, 2019 2:00 am
Chadwick wrote:To continue working with the fibre analogy, no we don't claim it is the end of the line, but yes, we do encourage people to switch over to the current best option rather than wait and see if something better emerges in 10 years time.

You appear to be arguing that until we know for definite what causes rapid climate change, we should not act on the knowledge we do have.
Continuing the use of your optical fibre analogy. If fibre was that good everyone would be scrambling to get it on day one when it was first announced if it was available to them. But they don't scrambling for it because many do not see the benefit of it out balancing the cost! Now this doesn't make them wrong and in the fibre analogy world they can take their fibre junk mail and put it in the rubbish and not have it stuffed down their throats by people who love to tell other people what to do and thinking they are doing this from a position of some authority when of course they are not they are merely workers for a big company.

Also how will fibre optics stop the tilt of the earth? :lol: :lol: :lol:
So, you don't think the benefits of reducing environmental pollution and global warming are worth the cost?
I think you are deliberately misreading what I have said. So for you I will spell it out: Yes clean up the Earth that is a positive thing and something we can all do. No we can't stop the tilt of the earth and in comparison the human effect taken out will be minimal when balanced against the financial cost.

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