Coronavirus/COVID-19

[blythburgh]

The amount of new covid admissions might be out there but it is the deaths in hospital that are pushed at us constantly. You need to dig a bit to find the amount of new hospital admissions for the day before. We will never know how many new cases there were yesterday as some have it and never see a GP let alone a hospital. Just as we only get told hospital deaths yesterday but others died in their own homes, prison and especially in care homes.

[Richard Frost]

The overall figures are very garbled and that is the main problem. This is compounded by the fact that there has been very little testing. So even if there was an overall figure it would not be a correct statement of the facts as they are actually unknown.

[Sarah]

The ONS is collecting data on overall deaths involving COVID-19 however it lags the more widely reported figures for hospitals by more than a week and still might be under-reporting if COVID-19 wasn't recognised in the recorded cause of death. Their latest figure (up to 17 April) is 19112 deaths registered in England and Wales involving COVID-19 (consisting of 11405 men and 7707 women). These figures taken together with other adjustments (sorry don't have specific details) are interpreted by some observers as tracking approximately 50% higher than the hospital-only deaths.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... 2020-03-26

[macliam]

There is something odd about the UK stats.... there appear to be no number for "recovered" cases, unlike everywhere else.... so you are either an "active" case or dead!

[Richard Frost]

From the BBC Website

Posted at 14:45
How can you work out the real number of deaths?

Robert Cuffe

BBC head of statistics

You’re probably seeing a range of different figures for the number of people who have died since the start of the coronavirus outbreak.

Every day, the government announces the number of people whose death has been reported in the last 24 hours in the UK after testing positive for coronavirus. This largely covers deaths in hospitals, so doesn’t give the full picture of what is going on elsewhere.

If you look at all death registrations, you can capture this picture.

These figures are released weekly and include people who have died who are suspected to have had the virus, not just those who have tested positive. They also compare the overall number of people who have died with the average number of deaths at that time of year.

Statisticians are confident that the difference will tell us about all the deaths caused by the epidemic – not just those caused directly by the virus, but those due to people with other conditions not seeking or getting the care they need.

While the daily figures are for the whole of the UK, the weekly ones are released separately by the nations – Scotland comes out first, followed by Northern Ireland and then England and Wales – their figures come out 10 days after the period they cover.

Even those weekly figures do not tell us how many years of life have been lost – some people who die during the epidemic would have lived for many years, and some might have died within the next few months.

To understand that picture, we’ll have to wait to see what happens to all deaths in 2020, but that analysis is some time away.

[Boro Boy]

Forget Germany, forget Sweden, forget New Zealand it's Iceland (the country not the shop) that seems to have got its act together...!

See: https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2020 ... 2463152530

[Boro Boy]

Science will win in the end (I hope): http://germagic.com/en/question.php

[macliam]

Science will win in the end (I hope): http://germagic.com/en/question.php

Meanwhile, just keep drinking bleach.

[macliam]

Forget Germany, forget Sweden, forget New Zealand it's Iceland (the country not the shop) that seems to have got its act together...!

See: https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2020 ... 2463152530

There's a world of difference between Iceland and anywhere people actually want to go. The greatest impact of the government measures has probably been the inability of planeloads of Icelanders to fly to Scotland and get plastered each weekend. The flipside might be the suicide rates in coming months......

[Boro Boy]

Forget Germany, forget Sweden, forget New Zealand it's Iceland (the country not the shop) that seems to have got its act together...!

See: https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2020 ... 2463152530

There's a world of difference between Iceland and anywhere people actually want to go. The greatest impact of the government measures has probably been the inability of planeloads of Icelanders to fly to Scotland and get plastered each weekend. The flipside might be the suicide rates in coming months......

No lockdown in Iceland (other than that imposed by the individual) but a very high percentage of testing and tracing... but you are right suicide would get rid of the Virus as well...! Never saw that one coming!