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Re: Bordering on the ridiculous...

Post by macliam » Mon Oct 15, 2018 9:28 pm

William Joseph1 wrote:
Boro Boy wrote:All very interesting but the physical border is what the EU want to impose when seperation from the EU occurs...
No they do not!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern- ... s-44615404
2nd paragraph

You really do need to get your facts correct!
Why bother now? :roll:

It's just amazing how much power the EU has in the imagination of the brexiteers. Just like the bogeyman in the cupboard under the stairs, it is a big frightening beast that doesn't actually exist. But how dare they insist that the UK government actually sign up to something and not just take their word for it...... it's not as if the UK has ever walked away from an agreement, is it? :eh:
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Re: Bordering on the ridiculous...

Post by Boro Boy » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:50 am

Boro Boy wrote:This boarder issue is being used as a sticking point when it really doesn't need to be; perhaps it's a way the EU thinks it can force the UK into some sort of submission on agreements? But perhaps they should look at their own back doors...

Those of you who get ShareRadio newsletters may recognise the following and I thank ShareRadio for sharing this with us:

Due to the apparently precarious state of Brexit negotiations over Northern Ireland, our letter begins with a part of France which has no border with its non-EU neighbour:

This photograph proves the European Union is in no position to use the absence of a border to beat us into customs union submission. Indeed, this part of France (for that’s what its overseas dependencies are) has much greater issues to be concerned about with neighbouring Brazil, as this comment on the website Quora points out. So – time to stop the ‘holier than thou’ stance in Brussels – we should just follow the France-Brazil example.


Many of those members who have travelled will be aware that former French colonies that remained with France rather than go independent have political representation in the French Parliament and the countries come under French Law as if it was in France - even their border says you are now entering France...

Seems to me that if France as an EU member can have an open boarder with Brazil then what's the issue with N Ireland...? They must be well frightened of what we could do to them...??? :think:
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Re: Bordering on the ridiculous...

Post by pabenny » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:35 am

Yes there are other backdoors - but they are trivial in comparison to the border in Ireland. Heligoland is nearby but has a population of about 1100 and presumably is not a viable route for cross-border trade. French Guiana is thousands of miles away.
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Re: Bordering on the ridiculous...

Post by blythburgh » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:59 am

Boro Boy wrote:
Boro Boy wrote:This boarder issue is being used as a sticking point when it really doesn't need to be; perhaps it's a way the EU thinks it can force the UK into some sort of submission on agreements? But perhaps they should look at their own back doors...

Those of you who get ShareRadio newsletters may recognise the following and I thank ShareRadio for sharing this with us:

Due to the apparently precarious state of Brexit negotiations over Northern Ireland, our letter begins with a part of France which has no border with its non-EU neighbour:

This photograph proves the European Union is in no position to use the absence of a border to beat us into customs union submission. Indeed, this part of France (for that’s what its overseas dependencies are) has much greater issues to be concerned about with neighbouring Brazil, as this comment on the website Quora points out. So – time to stop the ‘holier than thou’ stance in Brussels – we should just follow the France-Brazil example.


Many of those members who have travelled will be aware that former French colonies that remained with France rather than go independent have political representation in the French Parliament and the countries come under French Law as if it was in France - even their border says you are now entering France...

Seems to me that if France as an EU member can have an open boarder with Brazil then what's the issue with N Ireland...? They must be well frightened of what we could do to them...??? :think:
France Brazil Border.jpg
Boring and irrelevant post so why repeat it?
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Re: Bordering on the ridiculous...

Post by macliam » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:59 am

So many words......
The EU made the border a red line in initial discussions.
The UK accepted that and said they would not impose a hard border.
The EU asked the UK to explain how they would achieve this.
The UK had several tries to do so - and failed.
In order for talks to progress, the UK accepted the need for a backstop as proposed by the EU.
The UK have had several more goes to solve the issue - and failed.
Now the UK says it will not implement the backstop.
So, the UK have gone back on previous promises and the EU are insisting on a legal agreement.
The UK seem to be praying that the EU will blink, so the whole issue can be fudged and forgotten -
Just like civil rights were forgotten in Northern Ireland for decades.........

If May didn't need to keep the DUP sweet, I'm sure there would be serious talk of a border referendum (and maybe there already is).
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Re: Bordering on the ridiculous...

Post by Chadwick » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:33 pm

Boro Boy wrote:
Seems to me that if France as an EU member can have an open boarder with Brazil then what's the issue with N Ireland...? They must be well frightened of what we could do to them...??? :think:
The customs infrastructure on the French Guiana / Suriname border is set back a little way from the actual border.
You need to get the right stamps in your passport to cross back again.

To leave Brazil and enter French Guiana the situation is the same. You need to get your passport stamped to show you have left one country before entering the next. It's true there is no control at the actual border, but if you don't bother with the stamps then you will have problems trying to leave. Or you could just avoid the authorities. Of course, when you try to fly out of either Brazil or French Guiana you will need to have your stamps in order.

There is also a big problem with illegal immigration in French Guiana. Brazilian gold miners account for a good proportion of this.

Is this the frictionless model you had in mind for the Irish border?


To replicate the French Guiana model, you would need to establish a North Sea border and allow Northern Ireland to operate under different rules to the rest of the UK. Perhaps more akin to the Channel Islands, which are in the Customs Union, but not the EU (although this will change when we leave the EU).
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Re: Bordering on the ridiculous...

Post by Boro Boy » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:56 pm

blythburgh wrote:
Boro Boy wrote:
Boro Boy wrote:This boarder issue is being used as a sticking point when it really doesn't need to be; perhaps it's a way the EU thinks it can force the UK into some sort of submission on agreements? But perhaps they should look at their own back doors...

Those of you who get ShareRadio newsletters may recognise the following and I thank ShareRadio for sharing this with us:

Due to the apparently precarious state of Brexit negotiations over Northern Ireland, our letter begins with a part of France which has no border with its non-EU neighbour:

This photograph proves the European Union is in no position to use the absence of a border to beat us into customs union submission. Indeed, this part of France (for that’s what its overseas dependencies are) has much greater issues to be concerned about with neighbouring Brazil, as this comment on the website Quora points out. So – time to stop the ‘holier than thou’ stance in Brussels – we should just follow the France-Brazil example.


Many of those members who have travelled will be aware that former French colonies that remained with France rather than go independent have political representation in the French Parliament and the countries come under French Law as if it was in France - even their border says you are now entering France...

Seems to me that if France as an EU member can have an open boarder with Brazil then what's the issue with N Ireland...? They must be well frightened of what we could do to them...??? :think:
France Brazil Border.jpg
Boring and irrelevant post so why repeat it?

Because some people obviously hadn't read it. If you think it's boring or irrelevant (how can it be irrelevant in the current climate?) then just don't read it and please try and avoid such negative comments...

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Re: Bordering on the ridiculous...

Post by RonFlorabud » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:21 pm

It's simple...give Northen Ireland to Ireland.
Nothing but trouble since I have been alive.
They are welcome to move the the "mainland" if they choose to.
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Re: Bordering on the ridiculous...

Post by RonFlorabud » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:31 pm

blythburgh wrote:Boring and irrelevant post so why repeat it?
Haha, coming from Blyth!!!

Am so waiting for her whining when a tin of beans is 20g less in weight but the same price :lol:

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Re: Bordering on the ridiculous...

Post by William Joseph1 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:33 pm

Boro Boy wrote:Because some people obviously hadn't read it. If you think it's boring or irrelevant (how can it be irrelevant in the current climate?) then just don't read it and please try and avoid such negative comments...
It is irrelevant because it has no bearing or relationship to what is really happening. You had no need to re-post it because all who wanted to read the subject and read your pseudo propaganda had and still have the opportunity to do so without the re-post.

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