Poppy Appeal 2018

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Poppy Appeal 2018

Post by kevinchess1 » Wed Oct 24, 2018 3:28 pm

Poppy Appeal 2018

Never forget that people died for your freedom

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Re: Poppy Appeal 2018

Post by Boro Boy » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:21 pm

kevinchess1 wrote:Poppy Appeal 2018

Never forget that people died for your freedom

Visit Poppyshop

Couldn't agree more especially as the 100th Anniversary of the end of WW1 is on 11/11/2018

They died over World Wars so that we can vote and expect our decision to be carried out. They died so we could avoid tyrony and no rule without representation.
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Re: Poppy Appeal 2018

Post by Boro Boy » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:24 pm

I have reported the link with Poppyshop as it seem to be down at the moment (just before Remembrance Day!!!)

I got the following: Not Found
The requested URL /click/{AFFLINK}&p=https://www.poppyshop.org.uk was not found on this server.

Apache/2.2.16 (Debian) Server at http://www.imutual.co.uk Port 80 :roll:
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Re: Poppy Appeal 2018

Post by macliam » Wed Oct 24, 2018 11:58 pm

Boro Boy wrote:
kevinchess1 wrote:Poppy Appeal 2018

Never forget that people died for your freedom

Visit Poppyshop

Couldn't agree more especially as the 100th Anniversary of the end of WW1 is on 11/11/2018

They died over World Wars so that we can vote and expect our decision to be carried out. They died so we could avoid tyrony and no rule without representation.
They died for freedom - many nations allied for a common cause. They did not die for you to use it as an excuse to bang your political drum.....
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His buddy - 1914-1915, no known grave, Loos
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May all who fought find peace. May all who endured find peace. May we never have the need for such action again.
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Re: Poppy Appeal 2018

Post by Boro Boy » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:11 pm

macliam wrote:
Boro Boy wrote:
kevinchess1 wrote:Poppy Appeal 2018

Never forget that people died for your freedom

Visit Poppyshop

Couldn't agree more especially as the 100th Anniversary of the end of WW1 is on 11/11/2018

They died over World Wars so that we can vote and expect our decision to be carried out. They died so we could avoid tyrony and no rule without representation.
They died for freedom - many nations allied for a common cause. They did not die for you to use it as an excuse to bang your political drum.....
Image
My grandfather - 1914-1919, 1921-23
His buddy - 1914-1915, no known grave, Loos
My uncles - 1937-1946 & 1939 -1946

May all who fought find peace. May all who endured find peace. May we never have the need for such action again.

Why do you see fit to attack me on something so sensitive as this? :wtf:

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Re: Poppy Appeal 2018

Post by Boro Boy » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:16 pm

Boro Boy wrote:I have reported the link with Poppyshop as it seem to be down at the moment (just before Remembrance Day!!!)

I got the following: Not Found
The requested URL /click/{AFFLINK}&p=https://www.poppyshop.org.uk was not found on this server.

Apache/2.2.16 (Debian) Server at http://www.imutual.co.uk Port 80 :roll:

This link is still down (I'm still getting the same message as above!), I have reported it again...
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Re: Poppy Appeal 2018

Post by macliam » Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:44 pm

Boro Boy wrote:Why do you see fit to attack me on something so sensitive as this? :wtf:
Why did you decide to use something as sensitive as this to tout your own political views? :crazy:

Don't weaponize a message and then complain when it backfires.
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Re: Poppy Appeal 2018

Post by Boro Boy » Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:17 pm

macliam wrote:
Boro Boy wrote:Why do you see fit to attack me on something so sensitive as this? :wtf:
Why did you decide to use something as sensitive as this to tout your own political views? :crazy:

Don't weaponize a message and then complain when it backfires.
I think you may be reading into things where they don't exist. Honouring Heros should not be a source of argument, please don't make it one.
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Re: Poppy Appeal 2018

Post by pabenny » Thu Oct 25, 2018 3:29 pm

Prior to WW1, only 60% of men had the vote (and of course no women). There is little or no evidence that extension of suffrage was promised to those who volunteered or were conscripted, and indeed many were in any case below the voting age.

As a point of information, Germany, our principal enemy in WW1, had universal male suffrage from 1871. And in both countries more or less everyone had the vote by WW2.

It's of dubious historical accuracy to say that those who fought in the wars were driven by the right to vote. And given that the principal adversaries were democracies, a statement that "They died ... so that we can vote and expect our decision to be carried out" is questionable and deserves to be called out.

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Re: Poppy Appeal 2018

Post by macliam » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:46 am

My grandfather and many thousands of others were Redmondite volunteers. That is to say they were members of the 150,000 strong Irish Volunteers who drilled and trained and supported John Redmond MP in the quest for Irish Home Rule. In 1914, with the promise of Home Rule achieved (he thought), Redmond called upon the volunteers to enlist in the New British Army "for the sake of small nations". 140,000 followed his call and created the National Volunteers who fed the 10th(Irish) and 16th(Irish) Divisions, as well as infilling other under-strength regiments. My grandfather was posted with the Royal Welch Fusiliers, who were the garrison for Limerick, whilst his best friend was sent with the Royal West Surrey regiment and killed at Loos in 1915.

Redmond asked the War Office to create an Irish Brigade for his Volunteers. However, ever fearing the creation of an Irish Army, the War Office installed British officers in the Divisions and the Volunteer officers were returned to the ranks. This was the first betrayal. The Irish Divisions fought at Loos, the Somme, Paschendale and all the major battles of WW1 and the National War Memorial marks the 49,400 who died - a huge number from a working-age male population of under a million.

The proposed "Home Rule Bill", promised to Redmond, was shelved "for the duration", the second betrayal. The remaining 10,000 Irish Volunteers who had not transferred to the National Volunteers then allied themselves to the socialist Irish Citizen Army of James Connolly and it was they who rebelled in Dublin on Easter 1916 and formed the basis for the future IRA and the Anglo-Irish war. The rest is history.

After 5 years in the British Army, gassed at the Somme and sent home to die from malaria and dysentery at Gallipoli, my grandfather was demobbed in Limerick in late 1919 and left to find casual work as a labourer. In early 1922 he joined the new National Army of the Free State and rose to become a CQSM in the Military Police (being 5'11" tall probably helped!). He fought through the Civil War and left the army in 1926. He then became a manager at the Ardnacrusha hydroelectric dam on the Shannon before he succumbed to the effects of his experiences in WW1. He died, aged 60, having been bedridden for the final years of his life. Not all casualties of the war died in the war.......

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