pabenny wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 26, 2018 11:51 am
Chadwick wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:44 pm
Christmas starts in Advent.
If we're talking Church calendar, Advent is a season in its own right marking preparation for the (second) coming of Christ.
Christmas runs from Christmas Day to Epiphany (12th night - hence the song 12 Days of Christmas and this being the traditional date for taking down decorations). Epiphany is when tradition has it that the 'wise men' arrived to greet the Christ-child, and marks the revealing of Christ to the world.
Macliam's observations in Portugal probably reflect the greater sway held by Church tradition over the shopping-fest here.
I seriously hope we're not preparing for the second coming!!! I don't fancy being up for judgement yet.... although Trump or Putin as antichrist is a possibility!
When I was in Spain over Christmas (30 years ago...) there was a strict demarcation in the "holiday" season. Christmas was a religious and family celebration, New Year's eve was for adults to party all night and "Reyes" ("Kings", 6th January) was the time for presents (in accordance with the "gifts" of the Kings). I suspect that is still the case, although commercialization may well have eroded the boundaries.
Portugal is "nominally" Catholic in the same way that England is "nominally" CofE. Church attendance is far lower than it was in Ireland and there is a high degree of religious ignorance here in the south (the north is more religious). Much of this is a reaction to the old dictatorship's focus of the 3 "F"s, (Fé, Futbol e Fado - Faith, Football and traditional music), although football doesn't seem to have been affected as much! Some is due to the fact that Catholicism is the established religion and seen as a bit "chato" (annoying). One thing is for sure, I know of nobody who has discussed going to church at christmas, but plenty preparing for the celebrations! The reason for the lack of commercialization is merely that commercialization is not such a "science" here (DG).