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Re: Brexit Bounces

Post by expressman33 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:51 pm

blythburgh wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:39 am
expressman33 wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:58 pm
The country voted for Brexit but most MPs ( including Theresa May ) didn't want Brexit.
Is this the way Theresa May will eventually stop Brexit ?
No it did not. A very small majority and the 16/17 year olds that got a vote in the Scottish independence vote because it affected them were denied a vote. The ex pats who do not have a vote in our general elections have long been promised by the Tories (to boost their vote and no other reason) were denied a vote but this is the one time a vote would actually affect them.

The country certainly did not vote for Brexit. Less than 50% of the actual people on the electoral roll voted for it. A very small majority of the voters opted to leave not the whole country
but more voted to leave than voted to remain
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Re: Brexit Bounces

Post by macliam » Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:29 pm

expressman33 wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 1:51 pm
blythburgh wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 9:39 am
expressman33 wrote:
Tue Mar 12, 2019 10:58 pm
The country voted for Brexit but most MPs ( including Theresa May ) didn't want Brexit.
Is this the way Theresa May will eventually stop Brexit ?
No it did not. A very small majority and the 16/17 year olds that got a vote in the Scottish independence vote because it affected them were denied a vote. The ex pats who do not have a vote in our general elections have long been promised by the Tories (to boost their vote and no other reason) were denied a vote but this is the one time a vote would actually affect them.

The country certainly did not vote for Brexit. Less than 50% of the actual people on the electoral roll voted for it. A very small majority of the voters opted to leave not the whole country
but more voted to leave than voted to remain
Let's not run the referendum arguments again - it was bad enough first time.

Whatever the outcome, divisions will remain as there is no view of the way forward that has a majority. However, in a representative democracy, the view of elected representatives cannot be ignored. If, after all the debate and negotiation, they decide that exiting without a deal is too great a danger, then they have the right to reject it. If they decide that there is little chance of an agreed way forward, then it is their duty to keep us where we are. If that means deferring a decision, or cancelling article 50, so be it - they may risk losing their seats at the next election, but that is the way government works in the UK.
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Re: Brexit Bounces

Post by pabenny » Wed Mar 13, 2019 4:25 pm

The country certainly did not vote for Brexit. Less than 50% of the actual people on the electoral roll voted for it. A very small majority of the voters opted to leave not the whole country
but more voted to leave than voted to remain
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Let's not run the referendum arguments again - it was bad enough first time.
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And let's not re-run the debate over whether it was a majority. Had the referendum been 48:52 in the other direction, the leavers would have employed exactly the same logic to justify continuing to campaign.
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Re: Brexit Bounces

Post by macliam » Wed Mar 13, 2019 7:50 pm

So, a narrow vote in favour of rejecting a no-deal Brexit - narrower than I anticipated, although it seems that the idea that it was no Brexit by stealth seems to have been widelt aired over the past week. Not a binding vote...... and maybe close enough for May to make another dozen attempts to get her deal through.......
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Re: Brexit Bounces

Post by William Joseph1 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 8:04 pm

So now tomorrow a vote on whether the House of Commons wishes to seek a short extension to the leave date. Not guaranteed they will get it and has to be agreed by all the EU27

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47562995

It is unclear on what grounds Theresa May will be requesting an extension from the EU27.
Work and pensions minister Sarah Newton voted against the orders of the whips and has now resigned.

Thirteen government ministers - including Work and Pensions Secretary Amber Rudd, Business Secretary Greg Clark, Justice Secretary David Gauke and Scottish Secretary David Mundell - defied the government whips by abstaining in the vote.
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Re: Brexit Bounces

Post by kevinchess1 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:10 pm

I really don’t see what good an Extension will do
We have May’s deal, hated by Brexiteers and Remainers in equal numbers. We have No deal, hated BT Remainers And and some Brexiteers and we have... err.. actually we don’t have another option
And that won’t change with an Extension
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Re: Brexit Bounces

Post by Derbiean » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:17 pm

Common sense dictates we cancel brexit as no deal can be agreed by everyone and crashing out with no deal would be catastrophic for us* and the overwhelming majority of economic forecasts makes us worse off in all circumstances of leaving the EU, not to mention the civil service is crippled by internal rivalries and no clear direction from the government.

*For the working and middle class, the upper toffs will make a killing.
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Re: Brexit Bounces

Post by William Joseph1 » Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:24 pm

kevinchess1 wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:10 pm
I really don’t see what good an Extension will do
We have May’s deal, hated by Brexiteers and Remainers in equal numbers. We have No deal, hated BT Remainers And and some Brexiteers and we have... err.. actually we don’t have another option
And that won’t change with an Extension
It seems there might be a series of votes, to try and ascertain just what sort of a deal that MPs do want. But yes essentially you are right. There are plenty of them saying what they don't want. But none saying what they do want and the maybot has not had the sense as yet to ask them. She has just stubbornly stuck to what she thinks is right.
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Re: Brexit Bounces

Post by pabenny » Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:15 am

Derbiean wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:17 pm
Common sense dictates ....
Since when has common sense had anything to do with the whole proceedings?
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Re: Brexit Bounces

Post by Derbiean » Thu Mar 14, 2019 8:52 am

pabenny wrote:
Thu Mar 14, 2019 6:15 am
Derbiean wrote:
Wed Mar 13, 2019 11:17 pm
Common sense dictates ....
Since when has common sense had anything to do with the whole proceedings?
I forgot to add that disclaimer :lol:

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