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Saving The Planet is about to cost you money

Post by Boro Boy » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:12 am

I am surprised that no one has mentioned substantial changes to new build regulations starting in 2025 they state that gas boilers, hobs, ovens etc should not be fitted into new build properties. Experience of these announcements is that they get to creep and who knows when your own gas boiler will be targeted as it surely will by the green warriors; I have heard of combustion charges being levied based on the age of the boiler and other such costly levies all aimed at moving you away from fossil fuels.

Will you be capable of paying for the direction all these green warriors want you to take? Take an eye opening look at the following: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bil ... arden.html
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Post by blythburgh » Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:40 am

Properly built houses will use far less heating.

Global warming is a reality.

We might be dead before the full effects are felt but we owe it to the younger people to do what we can.
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Post by pabenny » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:50 am

Let’s have the proper story:

From the releases accompanying the Chancellor’s Spring Statement: “the government will introduce a Future Homes Standard by 2025, so that new build homes are future-proofed with low carbon heating and world-leading levels of energy efficiency” *

There is no mention of prohibiting gas boilers or other gas appliances**
Increased energy efficiency saves householders money. Some measures are free (turning down the thermostat, turning off lights) or cheap (low energy lightbulbs, insulation). Yes, some measures such as solar panels or ground source heat pumps have very long payback, partly because they are costly to retrofit to existing properties.

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*(source https://www.gov.uk/government/news/spri ... ed-to-know)

** A report by the Committee on Climate Change (CCC) suggests not connecting new build home sto the gas grid as one of seven measures for new build homes to address climate change. It also mentions eight measures for existing homes. (CCC is is an independent statutory body established under the Climate Change Act 2008 to advise government).
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Post by Constantine » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:58 am

On the other hand;

Hammond said: “We will introduce a Future Homes Standard, mandating the end of fossil fuel heating systems in all new houses from 2025.”

https://utilityweek.co.uk/gas-connectio ... nned-2025/

There would be no mention of of prohibiting gas boilers or other gas appliances, because there'd be no bloody point in installing them if you have no gas supply. :)
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Post by Constantine » Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:59 am

blythburgh wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:40 am
Properly built houses will use far less heating.

Global warming is a reality.

We might be dead before the full effects are felt but we owe it to the younger people to do what we can.
Properly built houses would use far less gas central heating as well.

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Post by Constantine » Tue Mar 19, 2019 12:03 pm

Constantine wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:58 am
On the other hand;

Hammond said: “We will introduce a Future Homes Standard, mandating the end of fossil fuel heating systems in all new houses from 2025.”
It's in Hansard as well

and, finally, we will introduce a future homes standard, mandating the end of fossil-fuel heating systems in all new houses from 2025, delivering lower carbon and lower fuel bills, too.

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2 ... gStatement
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Post by Boro Boy » Tue Mar 19, 2019 2:47 pm

pabenny wrote:
Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:50 am
Let’s have the proper story:

From the releases accompanying the Chancellor’s Spring Statement: “the government will introduce a Future Homes Standard by 2025, so that new build homes are future-proofed with low carbon heating and world-leading levels of energy efficiency” *

There is no mention of prohibiting gas boilers or other gas appliances**
Increased energy efficiency saves householders money. Some measures are free (turning down the thermostat, turning off lights) or cheap (low energy lightbulbs, insulation). Yes, some measures such as solar panels or ground source heat pumps have very long payback, partly because they are costly to retrofit to existing properties.

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*(source https://www.gov.uk/government/news/spri ... ed-to-know)

** A report by the Committee on Climate Change (CCC) suggests not connecting new build home sto the gas grid as one of seven measures for new build homes to address climate change. It also mentions eight measures for existing homes. (CCC is is an independent statutory body established under the Climate Change Act 2008 to advise government).
You are correct and I never said you were wrong (read my OP again) all these exercises are a ground softening episodes before us Joe Public get hit with their true aims and the costs of it. No doubt these actions/proposals will be enhanced before 2025 and the effect will be broadened to existing homes and probably brought forward.

An example of that is when originally Citizen Khan said he was bringing in an Ultra-Low Emission Zone (ULEZ) for vehicles due to start in 2025 and it would run along side the existing congestion zone in Central London but talk was it would be quickly extended to the North/South Circulars and then on to as far as the M25...!!! As late as 27th July 2017 he said the likely cost of the ULEZ would be £12.50 more polluting vehicles built before 2006 would also pay a daily £10 "T" charge for entering the zone - but all that is now thrown out of the window and a new £100 per day 365/6 days a year ULEZ charge will apply from this April - even the congestion charge gives you a break over the weekend but not the ULEZ. So its all about Creeping Legislation - and that is what I wanted to point out!

PS: You need you be aware of the above if you are driving through or into Central London from April 2019. Vehicle Checker here: https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/ultra- ... ecker-ulez

I wonder how long it will be before you have to have a house gas boiler checker?
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Post by pabenny » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:49 pm

Firstly, these are proposals for regulations to make new build homes more efficient. As I mentioned, not having new homes connected to the gas grid is just one of seven suggested by the CCC.

There is certainly a need to make the existing housing stock much more energy efficient. We've had years of encouragement and subsidy. New appliance are required to have higher levels of efficiency. But there has never been any compulsion on homeowners or householders to change anything - not least because it's impossible to enforce.

Specific measures aside, climate change demands substantial by all of us to reduce our contribution to greenhouse gases. Does the OP have better suggestions than improving the energy efficiency of housing?

On the London ULEZ, we've discussed already. But for the sake of clarity:
- the charge for cars and vans is £12.50/day
- lorries and other large vehicles pay £100/day
The zone coming into effect in April is the same as the current congestion charging zone. It's not extended out to the North/South Circular roads until 2021. It applies 365 days a year because pollution is pollution whenever it is emitted.

The Mayor of London has expressed aspiration to reach to the M25 but does not have jurisdiction to apply it across all of that area.

The ULEZ seems to me a reasonable and proportion measure to address very poor air quality in London. Does the OP have a better solution?
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Post by AAAlphaThunder » Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:59 am

Good for our future - bring it on.
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Post by planteria » Wed Mar 20, 2019 10:16 am

the bulk of his comments were re efficiency, but no doubt that he mentioned the end of fossil fuel use - so i took it to be 'all electric' going forwards. i don't have gas now, and haven't done since i moved into my previous place in 2004.
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