When is justice deemed to have been done?

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When is justice deemed to have been done?

Post by William Joseph1 » Wed May 22, 2019 6:09 pm

When is justice deemed to have been done? Should life mean life?

It is said the family will be devastated at the release of Kenneth Noye. Do we incarcerate people for life at taxpayers expense or do we have allow an element of compassion and make a judgement on whether people are likely to re offend and take an element of risk. Surely there has to be a time when people can be deemed at no risk to the population at large.

He will be released on parole and can be recalled at any time.

Story here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-48367089
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Re: When is justice deemed to have been done?

Post by expressman33 » Wed May 22, 2019 7:54 pm

William Joseph1 wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 6:09 pm
Surely there has to be a time when people can be deemed at no risk to the population at large.
Maybe so , but there still has to be a punishment befitting the crime committed

ps: I don't believe in the death penalty because miscarriages of justices have been made and can still be made
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Re: When is justice deemed to have been done?

Post by William Joseph1 » Wed May 22, 2019 8:07 pm

expressman33 wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 7:54 pm
William Joseph1 wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 6:09 pm
Surely there has to be a time when people can be deemed at no risk to the population at large.
Maybe so , but there still has to be a punishment befitting the crime committed
Which is why I asked the question.
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Wed May 22, 2019 6:09 pm
When is justice deemed to have been done? Should life mean life?
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Re: When is justice deemed to have been done?

Post by AAAlphaThunder » Wed May 22, 2019 8:57 pm

Depends on a case-by-case basis.
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Re: When is justice deemed to have been done?

Post by kevinchess1 » Wed May 22, 2019 10:12 pm

It's a common misconception that 'Life sentence; means Life in prison
It don't, it means you have the sentence For life
I pretty much agree with Alphathunderdog (Surprisingly) it should be a case by case basis

I REALLY don want to start the Hanging debate but
No one who weas evered hanged killed again and, even if your not dead you cant get 25 years of your life back, no matter what they pay you
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Re: When is justice deemed to have been done?

Post by Derbiean » Wed May 22, 2019 10:46 pm

In this case, releasing this guy would not be justice as he committed murder, did in front of his victim's partner (whom subsequently had to go into witness protection) tried to lie his way out of it, fled the country and has an extensive criminal record prior to the murder.

He deserving of no compassion and at the very least deserves to serve life imprisonment and to die there, he has not remotely come close to repaying for what he did and in my opinion, he can never do that, he ended one life, completely changed the life of the victim's fiance as well the unimaginable anguish for the victim's family and friends.

Now they have the added insult of him being released on the grounds that he's been a good little boy in prison, it's a disgraceful decision.
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Re: When is justice deemed to have been done?

Post by pabenny » Thu May 23, 2019 8:06 am

Criminal sentences should serve three broad purposes
- Retribution: someone who has wronged society in general and some people in particular should pay a price (and the risk of retribution serves as a deterrent)
- Protection of the public from someone who is dangerous
- Rehabilitation and reform – enabling wrong-doers to retake their place in society.
So to release an offender, we have to ask whether those purposes have been satisfied.

The objections to the release of Mr Noye appear to be that the retribution is insufficient. Clearly nothing can bring back the murder victims.

As pointed out by Mr Chess:
gov.uk wrote: A life sentence lasts for the rest of a person’s life – if they’re released from prison and commit another crime they can be sent back to prison at any time.
Not only that, ex-prisoners carry that status around with them. Prosepctive employers want to know about your employment history. Insurance forms ask whether you have any convictions. Mr Noye has probably never used a computer but will have to navigate a welfare system that requires online applications. And so on.

He carries his sentence in more ways than just the potential for return to prison. If he is judged no longer to be a danger to the public, then fair enough to release him.
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Re: When is justice deemed to have been done?

Post by William Joseph1 » Thu May 23, 2019 8:13 am

Interesting replies and plenty of food for thought.
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Re: When is justice deemed to have been done?

Post by dustie » Thu May 23, 2019 10:34 am

pabenny wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 8:06 am

Not only that, ex-prisoners carry that status around with them. Prosepctive employers want to know about your employment history.
will he want employment at age 71 ?
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Re: When is justice deemed to have been done?

Post by William Joseph1 » Thu May 23, 2019 10:36 am

dustie wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 10:34 am
pabenny wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 8:06 am

Not only that, ex-prisoners carry that status around with them. Prosepctive employers want to know about your employment history.
will he want employment at age 71 ?
I think the point was a general one rather than specific to Kenneth Noye.
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