Brexit Bounces too

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Re: Brexit Bounces too

Post by kevinchess1 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:52 pm

Poor Boris
He’s Brexit won’t stay hard and he can’t get an election
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Re: Brexit Bounces too

Post by AAAlphaThunder » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:53 am

kevinchess1 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:52 pm
Poor Boris
He’s Brexit won’t stay hard and he can’t get an election
LOL.

Very clever the way you wrote that.
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Re: Brexit Bounces too

Post by expressman33 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:40 pm

kevinchess1 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:52 pm
Poor Boris
He’s Brexit won’t stay hard and he can’t get an election
could do with some help from the Greens
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Re: Brexit Bounces too

Post by Boro Boy » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:32 pm

expressman33 wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:23 pm
Chadwick wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:56 pm
expressman33 wrote:
Thu Sep 05, 2019 5:53 pm

We haven't left the EU yet and at this rate we never will
The problem with the "£350m for the NHS" is not that it won't be delivered until after we leave.
The problem is that it was a total fabrication: there is no £350m. It won't magically appear after Brexit.
The problem is no matter how much extra funding the NHS gets , it will never be enough.

already promised Year-by-year funding increases
2019-20 - 3.6%
2020 - 21 - 3.6%
2021-22 - 3.1%
2022-23 - 3.1%
2023-24 - 3.4%
All figures are above inflation
I had heard that a large percentage of the NHS budget goes to pay for the ever increasing insurance premiums to cover for the ever increasing claims for malpractice and injury claims following disastrous operations and mis-diagnosis...!?!

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Re: Brexit Bounces too

Post by AAAlphaThunder » Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:44 pm

Boro Boy wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:32 pm
expressman33 wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 6:23 pm
Chadwick wrote:
Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:56 pm

The problem with the "£350m for the NHS" is not that it won't be delivered until after we leave.
The problem is that it was a total fabrication: there is no £350m. It won't magically appear after Brexit.
The problem is no matter how much extra funding the NHS gets , it will never be enough.

already promised Year-by-year funding increases
2019-20 - 3.6%
2020 - 21 - 3.6%
2021-22 - 3.1%
2022-23 - 3.1%
2023-24 - 3.4%
All figures are above inflation
I had heard that a large percentage of the NHS budget goes to pay for the ever increasing insurance premiums to cover for the ever increasing claims for malpractice and injury claims following disastrous operations and mis-diagnosis...!?!
I had heard that Her Majesty the Queen wanted to marry me.

Where are the facts?
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Re: Brexit Bounces too

Post by pabenny » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:24 pm

Public accounts committee (of the Houses of Parliament)
https://www.parliament.uk/business/comm ... sts-17-19/

Cost to NHS trusts of clinical negligence claims in 2016/17 was £1.6bn. The report states that 10,600 claims were registered (not all will necessarily be successful). The number doubled over the previous 10 years and the amount per incident also doubled over the same period. Most of the cost of settlement (83%) relates to maternity, and the report attributes the growth in cost to the greater life expectancy of infants injured during childbirth.

The NHS confederation report 10.1m operations in 2015/19. So that's less than 0.1% of operations result in a negligence claim. It's an even smaller figure if you count admissions (16m) or A&E attendances (>23m).

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Re: Brexit Bounces too

Post by Chadwick » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:48 pm

pabenny wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:24 pm
Public accounts committee (of the Houses of Parliament)
https://www.parliament.uk/business/comm ... sts-17-19/

Cost to NHS trusts of clinical negligence claims in 2016/17 was £1.6bn. The report states that 10,600 claims were registered (not all will necessarily be successful). The number doubled over the previous 10 years and the amount per incident also doubled over the same period. Most of the cost of settlement (83%) relates to maternity, and the report attributes the growth in cost to the greater life expectancy of infants injured during childbirth.

The NHS confederation report 10.1m operations in 2015/19. So that's less than 0.1% of operations result in a negligence claim.
According to a House of Commons briefing paper, in 2016/17, NHS England held a budget of £107 billion. Assuming all those claim payments go against that budget, that's 1.5% of the budget.

I haven't done full due diligence to make sure I'm using the right budget figure. Higher up on the same page it says "In 2016/17, the figure was over ten times that amount: £144.3bn", which makes the expenditure on claims 1.1%.
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Re: Brexit Bounces too

Post by Boro Boy » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:20 pm

Chadwick wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:48 pm
pabenny wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:24 pm
Public accounts committee (of the Houses of Parliament)
https://www.parliament.uk/business/comm ... sts-17-19/

Cost to NHS trusts of clinical negligence claims in 2016/17 was £1.6bn. The report states that 10,600 claims were registered (not all will necessarily be successful). The number doubled over the previous 10 years and the amount per incident also doubled over the same period. Most of the cost of settlement (83%) relates to maternity, and the report attributes the growth in cost to the greater life expectancy of infants injured during childbirth.

The NHS confederation report 10.1m operations in 2015/19. So that's less than 0.1% of operations result in a negligence claim.
According to a House of Commons briefing paper, in 2016/17, NHS England held a budget of £107 billion. Assuming all those claim payments go against that budget, that's 1.5% of the budget.

I haven't done full due diligence to make sure I'm using the right budget figure. Higher up on the same page it says "In 2016/17, the figure was over ten times that amount: £144.3bn", which makes the expenditure on claims 1.1%.
Either way a lot of money and increasing it seems on an annual basis...

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Re: Brexit Bounces too

Post by pabenny » Mon Sep 09, 2019 4:37 pm

Cleary it is - in absolute terms - a big sum, and measures that reduce the frequency and cost of incidents are welcome.

But is it big as a proportion of the NHS budget? Or claim frequency? Many businesses would be proud of claim rate as low as 0.1%.

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Re: Brexit Bounces too

Post by kevinchess1 » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:20 pm

What country, in it’s right mind, would want to leave the worlds biggest trading block and risk it all without a deal?
What country, whilst trying to keep together a collection of union of political opposites would risk that union when a lot of its people are opposed to going it alone?
I mean what country leaders are prepared to take a wild, risky leap into the unknown for the vague promises of a better future free from outside influences?

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