Labour Party Conference - Delegates back call to defend EU free movement

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Labour Party Conference - Delegates back call to defend EU free movement

Post by expressman33 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:46 pm

The motion urges Labour to:

Defend the right of EU migrants to live and work in the EU under free movement rules
Give the vote to all migrants in the UK
Reject any immigration system based on quotas, caps, targets or incomes
Close all migrant detention centres
Guarantee the unconditional right to family reunion visas for migrants from outside the EU
End "no recourse to public funds" policies, which prevent some immigrants from claiming benefits
Scrap so-called "hostile environment" polices, which restrict access to accommodation and the NHS

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Re: Labour Party Conference - Delegates back call to defend EU free movement

Post by AAAlphaThunder » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:07 pm

And so they should.
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Re: Labour Party Conference - Delegates back call to defend EU free movement

Post by Boro Boy » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:33 pm

So they are going back to stifle and hinder Brexit whilst ignoring the result of the Brexit Referendum and not to ease and ensure its progress?

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Re: Labour Party Conference - Delegates back call to defend EU free movement

Post by pabenny » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:45 pm

The question on the referendum was whether or not the UK should remain a number of the EU.

It was not whether freedom of movement should be ended (although that may have motivated some votes). Freedom of movement is a core principle of the EU, but other nations - notably Switzerland and Norway - have made a reciprocal grant of that same freedom and there is no reason why the UK should not do so if Parliament so agree.

In seeking to defend freedom of movement, the Labour conference is neither helping nor hindering the referendum result

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Re: Labour Party Conference - Delegates back call to defend EU free movement

Post by Boro Boy » Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:58 pm

pabenny wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 3:45 pm
The question on the referendum was whether or not the UK should remain a number of the EU.

It was not whether freedom of movement should be ended (although that may have motivated some votes). Freedom of movement is a core principle of the EU, but other nations - notably Switzerland and Norway - have made a reciprocal grant of that same freedom and there is no reason why the UK should not do so if Parliament so agree.

In seeking to defend freedom of movement, the Labour conference is neither helping nor hindering the referendum result
Leaving the EU club gives us full legal control of our own boarders; why on earth would we want to give that up. Controlled immigration is the only possible way ahead otherwise future chaos and challenges to our public services would be impossible to cope with.
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Re: Labour Party Conference - Delegates back call to defend EU free movement

Post by pabenny » Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:11 pm

That's somewhat separate question from EU membership - although clearly only a choice available post-Brexit.

Retaining freedom of movement may not be what some people thought they voted for, but it was never the question being asked.

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Re: Labour Party Conference - Delegates back call to defend EU free movement

Post by Boro Boy » Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:03 pm

pabenny wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:11 pm
That's somewhat separate question from EU membership - although clearly only a choice available post-Brexit.

Retaining freedom of movement may not be what some people thought they voted for, but it was never the question being asked.
The two are inseparable. Leaving the EU leaves the UK with the full decision power over its boarders.

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Re: Labour Party Conference - Delegates back call to defend EU free movement

Post by William Joseph1 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:22 pm

Boro Boy wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:03 pm
pabenny wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:11 pm
That's somewhat separate question from EU membership - although clearly only a choice available post-Brexit.

Retaining freedom of movement may not be what some people thought they voted for, but it was never the question being asked.
The two are inseparable. Leaving the EU leaves the UK with the full decision power over its boarders.
its borders I think you mean.

Yes you are correct. Once the UK has left the EU unless it has agreed a treaty otherwise as part of a deal it will be free to do what it likes with its borders.

But you are wrong to conjoin Freedom of Movement with Brexit they are two very different things Brexit is leaving the EU. Freedom of Movement is about what UK governments choose to do with our borders after we have left the EU and depending on any deal/treaty that has been agreed.

So it could choose to have open or closed borders to any part of the world. Personally I would wish that it has as open borders as possible. Immigration has bought nothing but good to this country. Immigrants over many years have worked and paid taxes and contributed to the life and diversity of this country in many untold ways. How insular would we be without them? I welcome them and all the good they bring to the country. We should be increasing the amount of people we welcome to the country not limiting them. Without them this country will fail and we will not be able to keep up the growth we have achieved in the past.

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Re: Labour Party Conference - Delegates back call to defend EU free movement

Post by Boro Boy » Wed Sep 25, 2019 7:28 pm

William Joseph1 wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:22 pm
Boro Boy wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 6:03 pm
pabenny wrote:
Wed Sep 25, 2019 4:11 pm
That's somewhat separate question from EU membership - although clearly only a choice available post-Brexit.

Retaining freedom of movement may not be what some people thought they voted for, but it was never the question being asked.
The two are inseparable. Leaving the EU leaves the UK with the full decision power over its boarders.
its borders I think you mean.

Yes you are correct. Once the UK has left the EU unless it has agreed a treaty otherwise as part of a deal it will be free to do what it likes with its borders.

But you are wrong to conjoin Freedom of Movement with Brexit they are two very different things Brexit is leaving the EU. Freedom of Movement is about what UK governments choose to do with our borders after we have left the EU and depending on any deal/treaty that has been agreed.

So it could choose to have open or closed borders to any part of the world. Personally I would wish that it has as open borders as possible. Immigration has bought nothing but good to this country. Immigrants over many years have worked and paid taxes and contributed to the life and diversity of this country in many untold ways. How insular would we be without them? I welcome them and all the good they bring to the country. We should be increasing the amount of people we welcome to the country not limiting them. Without them this country will fail and we will not be able to keep up the growth we have achieved in the past.
Please don't link having control of your Borders (thank you spell check) does not mean closing the borders to no immigration, it means controlled immigration.

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Re: Labour Party Conference - Delegates back call to defend EU free movement

Post by William Joseph1 » Wed Sep 25, 2019 8:24 pm

Immigration should always be controlled. It just depends on what level of control a government allows at any particular time.

Should we allow economic migrants in from anywhere in the world? Does each country have its own quota? Do we allow in skilled migrants only? Do we allow skilled migrants only from certain countries?

The same applies to refugees. Do we allow in anyone or only certain categories. These are all things to be decided when and if Brexit takes place, with or without a treaty.

Similar criteria could be applied to students. How many foreign students do we want to study in the country and where do we want to take them from anywhere, or selected countries only? For any type of course or selected ones only? These decisions all need to be made by each government.
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