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Re: Brexit

Post by blythburgh » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:30 am

I know Brexit has not happened yet but the consequences are already being felt:

the value of the pound has collapsed leading to stuff in the shops rising in price

people feel they have the right to abuse anyone they feel was not born here no matter if they were or not or what important job they do

families and friends have stopped speaking to each other because they feel differently about brexit

I dread to think what will happen in the years ahead

And I am sick of being told it is London and the intelligentsia who are the only ones anti brexit. The people I know who like me voted remain and want a people's vote are not rich, not London based and some of them are on benefit, the rest all have to plan their finances carefully so they can afford to live without going into debt. And to say it is only a small unrepresentative section of society who want to remain is another pro brexit lie But the spokespersons for the brexiteers are so good at twisting the truth and down right lies, led by liar in chief Dominic Cummings
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Re: Brexit

Post by Sarah » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:35 am

"Nissan 'to review future' of Sunderland plant in case of no-deal Brexit"
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/indu ... eal-brexit
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Re: Brexit

Post by parchedpeas » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:39 am

Sarah wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:35 am
"Nissan 'to review future' of Sunderland plant in case of no-deal Brexit"
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/indu ... eal-brexit
The turkeys in Sunderland voted for Christmas. It's very hard to have much sympathy for them, especially as they still seem to be wedded to this madness after having had three years to actually be able to read a little about it.
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Re: Brexit

Post by parchedpeas » Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:43 am

In some ways, I wonder if the UK needs to have Brexit, just so it gets the kick in the nuts that it deserves and it can finally understand its place in the world.

I don't wan't it to happen and I'll continue to do everything I can to stop it, but if we end up leaving - especially without a deal - then I think the expensive and unnecessary lesson we will be taught - living life as a middle-sized economy, trading on nostalgia rather than current ability, outside the room when all of the biggest decisions are made, stuck at the beck and call of the US - will knock us off our pedestal and maybe then we can finally start working out who we want to be instead of boring everybody with self-important nonsense about who we are now, because of stuff that was achieved 75+ years ago.
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Re: Brexit

Post by blythburgh » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:01 am

parchedpeas wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:39 am
Sarah wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:35 am
"Nissan 'to review future' of Sunderland plant in case of no-deal Brexit"
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/indu ... eal-brexit
The turkeys in Sunderland voted for Christmas. It's very hard to have much sympathy for them, especially as they still seem to be wedded to this madness after having had three years to actually be able to read a little about it.

Not everyone in Sunderland voted for Brexit, maybe the workers at Nissan voted remain. But whatever way they voted I can feel some sympathy for the workers and their families. And all those businesses and their workers who will be badly affected by any loss of jobs at the Nissan plant.
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Re: Brexit

Post by Fuggsy » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:31 am

blythburgh wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:01 am
parchedpeas wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:39 am
Sarah wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:35 am
"Nissan 'to review future' of Sunderland plant in case of no-deal Brexit"
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/indu ... eal-brexit
The turkeys in Sunderland voted for Christmas. It's very hard to have much sympathy for them, especially as they still seem to be wedded to this madness after having had three years to actually be able to read a little about it.

Not everyone in Sunderland voted for Brexit, maybe the workers at Nissan voted remain. But whatever way they voted I can feel some sympathy for the workers and their families. And all those businesses and their workers who will be badly affected by any loss of jobs at the Nissan plant.
It's not their fault.

They were lied to, like everyone else.
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Re: Brexit

Post by blythburgh » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:49 am

Fuggsy wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:31 am

It's not their fault.

They were lied to, like everyone else.
The rich hard right wingers in control of papers like The Sun, Express, Mail, Telegraph and Times made sure they pushed anything that put the EU in a bad light. Twist things, make the comment of a single MEP that s/he would like something to happen seem as if the whole of the none British MEP's were in total agreement when they were not.

One reporter was too lazy too actually do the work and find out the facts so wrote a lot of lies in his column because he knew he was writing for a right wing audience. He got the sack in the end but still make it to 10 Downing Street.

Is it any wonder some people voted leave when they heard so much anti EU propoganda? Or they voted leave because the believed the the lie about the NHS on the Boris Bus? Or they voted leave "to telll Cameron they were not happy with what the Govt. were doing?"
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Re: Brexit

Post by parchedpeas » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:15 am

I agree with all of that for the vote in 2016. But there is no excuse now.

Here is a full list of every business, organisation, industry, group, charity, union or federation that has issued a warning or concern about a #NoDeal #Brexit (#GetBrexitDone)

- Jaguar / Land Rover
- Make UK (manufacturing)
- John Lewis
- National Farmers Union
- CBI (Confederation of British Industry)
- BMA (British Medical Association)
- NFU Scotland
- Killybegs Fishermen's Organisation
- Waitrose
- AHDB (Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board)
- BMJ (medical)
- Tesco
- NAO (National Audit Office)
- Ford
- easyJet
- HSBC
- Federation for Small Business
- Care England
- Mental Health Network
- British Chambers of Commerce
- Airbus
- The Richmond Group
- Amazon
- UNISON
- National Farmers Union (NFU)
- NHS Partners Network
- Rolls-Royce
- Institute of Directors
- The King’s Fund
- Skills for Care
- Royal Pharmaceutical Society
- Care Forum Wales
- Food and Drink Federation
- BMW
- British Retail Consortium
- New NHS Alliance
- The Company Chemists’ Association
- Shelford Group
- North Tyneside Council
- Bidfood
- Imperial College London
- UK Radiopharmacy Group
- University of York
- European Research Council
- University of Warwick
- University of Southampton
- University of Leeds
- University of Nottingham
- University of Glasgow
- University of Liverpool
- Newcastle University
- Queen’s University Belfast
- University of Edinburgh
- Durham University
- University of Bristol
- University of Birmingham
- Cardiff University
- King’s College London
- University of Sheffield
- Queen Mary University of London
- University of Manchester
- University of Exeter
- London School of Economics
- Unilever
- Guild HE
- Hastings Council
- The Royal College of Midwives
- University of Oxford
- Voluntary Organisations Disability Group
- ABPI
- Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders
- Association of Dental Groups
- NHS Employers
- Care and Support Alliance
- EEF
- Dairy UK
- Million Plus
- Royal College of Nursing
- Fashion Roundtable
- Dale Farm
- University of Cambridge
- North Ayrshire Council
- United Kingdom Homecare Association
- ME+EM
- British Dental Association
- Skills for Health
- Chartered Society of Physiotherapy
- Fox Williams
- Superdry
- British Hospitality Association
- Stobart Group
- Principal Hotels
- East Kent Hospitals University NHS Foundation Trust
- Threadster Group
- British Nuclear Medicine Society
- National Care Association
- Travelodge
- British Fashion Council
- NHS European Office
- NIESR
- Marie Sklodowska-Curie Actions
- European Dairy Association
- Northern Ireland Confederation for Health and Social Care
- Council of Deans of Health
- Brittany Ferries
- London College of Fashion
- Sainsbury’s
- Bonmarche
- Anglesey Council
- UK Petroleum Industry Association
- Aberdeen City Council
- National Planning Assumption (NPA)
- British Gas
- Flybe
- University Alliance
- Association for Real Change
- The Welsh NHS Confederation
- Age UK
- UK Home Care Association
- ASOS
- Bank of England
- Chorley Council
- Connect Airways
- Morrisons
- RAC
- Marks and Spencer
- Craggs Energy
- National Association of Primary Care
- Southend Airport
- Dorset Council
- Farfetch
- Academy of Medical Royal Colleges
- NHS Providers
- Royal College of Radiologists
- Chivas Brothers
- Sutton Council
- CCFA
- National Care Forum
- Lidl
- Inver House Distillers
- CLEPA
- Higher Education Policy Institute
- Chichester District Council
- Accor
- Ferrero Group
- European Automobile Manufacturers Association
- NHS Clinical Commissioners
- Sports Direct Group
- The Carer UK
- MCA Insight
- Pizza Pilgrims
- Helping Hands Home Care
- Russell Group
- NHS Confederation
- Scotch Whisky Association
- Cadbury
- Charities Aid Foundation
- Asda
- HRH Group
- Registered Nursing Home Association
- Pembrokeshire County Council
- European Association of Automotive Suppliers
- Franco Manca
- Rugby Football Union
- Royal College of Physicians
- Brindisa
- Museums Association
- British Label Group
- Association of Directors of Adult Social Services
- Pret A Manger
- Royal College of Emergency Medicine
- Borough Market
- Sport England
- British Phonographic Industry
- Chestnut Group
- Sport and Recreation Alliance
- Association of UK University Hospitals
- Goodman Restaurants Group
- Professional Players Federation
- Royal College of GPs
- D&D London
- Hawksmoor restaurants
- Chartered Institute of Personnel and Development (CIPD)
- Pimlico Plumbers
- McDonalds
- Laura Ashley
- Brompton Bicycle
- Albion Knitting Company
- Debenhams
- Astley Clarke
- Stannah
- Creative Industries Council
- British Veterinary Association
- KFC
- Mrs Bow Tie
- RSPCA
- Ernst & Young (EY)
- London College of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine
- Primark
- Co-op
- British Meat Processors Association
- UBS
- Royal Lemkes
- HOPS Labour Solutions
- Berwin & Berwin
- Scottish Agricultural Organisation Society (SAOS)
- Central Bank
- Costcutter
- British Florist Association
- Clowance Wood Nurseries
- Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI)
- Micro Focus
- Cornish Blooms
- Aviva
- ABI
- Brighter Blooms (Preston)
- FCA
- Premier League
- Capital Economics
- Lloyd’s Bank
- NFU Poultry Board
- Football Association (FA)
- R&A
- Spar
- McLaren
- TG Eakin
- Foyle Port
- Hospitality Ulster
- Danske
- Formula One
- Diaceutics plc
- bet365
- International Wool Textile Organisation
- Shetland Amenity Trust
- ADS (Aerospace, Defence, and Security & Space)
- The Cold Chain Federation
- Halfords
- Jack Wills
- Innocent Drinks
- BT
- Lastminute(.com)
- Wyevale Garden Centres
- Terra Firma
- Rosa's Flowers
- European Nurserystock Association
- Standard Chartered
- Waterstones
- William Hill
- 888 Holdings
- Peugeot PSA
- Freight Transport Association
- Chartered Institute of Procurement & Supply
- Vauxhall
- Bedford Council
- RSPB
- Harbour Shipping
- Paddy Power
- Eurostar
- Netflix
- British Horseracing Authority (BHA)
- Zoopla
- UK Steel
- Community (steelworkers’ trade union)
- The Ocean Conservation Register
- Nestlé
- Newcastle City Council
- European Association of Zoos and Aquaria (EAZA)
- Premier Foods
- Tata Steel
- The Wildlife Trusts
- Surfers Against Sewage
- V&A (Victoria & Albert Museum)
- Lloyd’s of London
- Direct Line
- tmgroup
- Education Endowment Foundation (EEF)
- Joules
- Construction Products Association (CPA)
- The Royal Town Planning Institute
- Friends of the Earth
- Wates
- Carr & Carr (Builders)
- Greenpeace
- Birds Eye
- Construction Leadership Council
- Starbucks
- Turner & Townsend
- Veterinary Medicines Directorate (VMD)
- The Co-operative Bank
- Joe & Seph’s
- Pet Food Manufacturers Association
- Royal Pigeon Racing Association
- UK Music
- Rightmove
- Incorporated Society of Musicians (ISM)
- Rupert Sanderson
- European Medicines Agency (EMA)
- Human Rights Watch
- Wine & Spirit Trade Association
- Freight Brokers Ltd
- FedEx
- Just Right Scotland
- Trades Union Congress
- Disability Rights UK
- Drinks Industry Group of Ireland (DIGI)
- Sky
- Gilette
- ISBA
- PepsiCo
- P&G (Procter & Gamble)
- Poverty Alliance
- Concordia
- British Summer Fruits (trade body)
- National Farmers' Union of England & Wales
- Berry Gardens
- British Growers Association
- Mitchell Fruit Garden
- Soil Association
- UK Fashion & Textile association
- AbSci
- Royal Mail
- Domino's
- Cosmetic, Toiletry & Perfumery Association (CTPA)
- Virgin
- Virgin Atlantic
- EE
- ARM
- Centre for Economics and Business Research (CEBR)
- Microsoft
- Vodafone
- Dell
- The Motorhome Holiday Company
- LiveWest (housing association)
- Devon and Plymouth Chamber of Commerce
- Heart of the South West Local Enterprise Partnership (LEP)
- Skillforce
- B&Q
- Northern Ireland Retail Consortium
- Cranswick
- Aardman Animations
- Quick Move Now
- Liverpool John Lennon Airport
- UK Screen Alliance
- Animation UK
- Aston Martin
- Nuffield Trust
- NHS England
- Cancer Research UK
- Bowel Cancer UK
- South Central Ambulance Service
- Prostate Cancer UK
- Teenage Cancer Trust
- General Medical Council
- Breast Cancer Care / Now
- Macmillan Cancer Support
- CLIC Sargent
- Bloodwise
- Samaritans
- Publishers Association
- Stonewall (LGBT+ rights)
- Penguin Random House UK
- Macmillan (books)
- Amnesty International
- Arla
- Europol
- Anges de Sucre cakes
- National Association of British and Irish Millers (nabim)
- Birds Bakery
- Fosters Bakery
- Live Nation
- Association of Independent Festivals
- Big Life Management
- British and Irish Association of Zoos and Aquariums (Biaza)
- Nissan
- Belfast Council
- Federation of Bakers
- Sandridgebury Farm
- Cross Farm
- Thrales End Farm
- Hertfordshire NFU
- Food Research Collaboration

https://twitter.com/VoiceOfRemain/statu ... 92611?s=20

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Re: Brexit

Post by Sarah » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:57 am

That list is missing Honda and Thomas Cook; perhaps because it's already too late to save them. I've been in agreement with the mantra of "Contempt for the conmen. Compassion for the conned." however after 3 years it's becoming increasingly difficult to sympathise with anyone still wedded to the lies.

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Re: Brexit

Post by expressman33 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:17 pm

Seen on Facebook - another reason why we should leave the EU
Dear Secretary of State,

My friend, who is in farming at the moment, recently received a cheque for €3,000 from the European Union for not rearing pigs. I would now like to join the "not rearing pigs" business.

In your opinion, what is the best kind of farm not to rear pigs on, and which is the best breed of pigs not to rear? I want to be sure I approach this endeavour in keeping with all government policies, as dictated by the EU under the Common Agricultural Policy.

I would prefer not to rear bacon pigs, but if this is not the type you want not rearing, I will just as gladly not rear porkers. Are there any advantages in not rearing rare breeds such as Saddlebacks or Gloucester Old Spots, or are there too many people already not rearing these?

As I see it, the hardest part of this programme will be keeping an accurate record of how many pigs I haven't reared. Are there any Government or Local Authority courses on this?

My friend is very satisfied with this business. He has been rearing pigs for forty years or so, and the best he ever made on them was €1,422 in 2012. That is - until this year, when he received a cheque for not rearing any.

If I get €3,000 for not rearing 50 pigs, will I get €6,000 for not rearing 100? I plan to operate on a small scale at first, holding myself down to about 4,000 pigs not raised, which will mean about €240,000 for the first year. As I become more expert in not rearing pigs, I plan to be more ambitious, perhaps increasing to, say, 40,000 pigs not reared in my second year, for which I should expect about €2.4 million from your department. Incidentally, I wonder if I would be eligible to receive tradable carbon credits for all these pigs not producing harmful and polluting methane gases?

Another point: These pigs that I plan not to rear will not eat 2,000 tonnes of cereals. I understand that you also pay farmers for not growing crops. Will I qualify for payments for not growing cereals to not feed the pigs I don't rear?

I am also considering the "not milking cows" business, so please send any information you have on that too. Please could you also include the current Defra advice on set aside fields? Can this be done on an e-commerce basis with virtual fields (of which I seem to have several thousand hectares)?

In view of the above you will realise that I will be totally unemployed, and will therefore qualify for unemployment benefits.

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