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by Boro Boy » Thu Oct 17 2019 8:25pm
I have just heard Baroness Lawrence who believes a crucial element of Race is not being mentioned; she said
"...when I saw the residents who lived in that block, to me I was under no doubt around the racism that existed at that time because I think had that been a block full of white people in there then they (London Fire Brigade) would have done everything to get them out as fast as possible and make sure that they did what they needed to do."
I find these comments diabolical - if they are right then I think it is horrifying and something should be done about it! A fire Brigade that works harder for certain races is just not acceptable.
But if she is wrong (and at this point you should realise that LFB's policy [right or wrong] with tower block fires is to ask residents to stay in their flats) I would find her comments abhorrent and without excuse racist against firefighters who risked their lives trying to rescue people and extinguish the fire. As such she should publicly apologise or be legally charged under the Racialism Laws for stirring up racialist hate.
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by BeautifulSunshine » Thu Oct 17 2019 10:15pm
I have every confidence London Fire Brigade did everything they possibly could to save lives and get people out of danger.
How other people have come to a different conclusion I cannot understand.
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by pabenny » Fri Oct 18 2019 8:29am
I agree with Mr AAAlphaThunder but I don't see Baroness Lawrence's remarks to be inciting racial hatred.
The remarks were reported by Channel4 News; according to the precis on their website, "Her comments were targeted at the authorities and not at any individual". On that basis, allegations of being "racist against firefighters" are a twisting of the facts.
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by Derbiean » Fri Oct 18 2019 9:22am
I think its more of a class issue than race tho as I understand it it wasn't the guys on the ground who made the decision.
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by planteria » Sun Oct 20 2019 5:22pm
Boro Boy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17 2019 8:25pm
I find these comments diabolical ...But if she is wrong
she clearly is, so just ignore her bitter nonsense.
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by Boro Boy » Sun Oct 20 2019 10:38pm
planteria wrote: ↑Sun Oct 20 2019 5:22pm
Boro Boy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17 2019 8:25pm
I find these comments diabolical ...But if she is wrong
she clearly is, so just ignore her bitter nonsense.
If she is wrong it is not bitter nonsense, it is Racialist nonsense! Racism is not one of those things that only works in one direction... and she should surely apologise or be considered for prosecution
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by Boro Boy » Tue Oct 29 2019 2:07pm
The first stage of the Grenfell Fire Report was leaked today and is officially released tomorrow. Its contents seems to not highlight any racialist motives of the LFB; yet (as highlighted before) Baroness Lawrence believes a crucial element of Race is a vital element, she said "...when I saw the residents who lived in that block, to me I was under no doubt around the racism that existed at that time because I think had that been a block full of white people in there then they (London Fire Brigade) would have done everything to get them out as fast as possible and make sure that they did what they needed to do."
I am sure these reports will look into every aspect of the terrible fire from the actual cause of the fire, the incidents on the day of the fire and the building control and building materials aspect of the construction with lead to the spread of the fire. From what has been made available it would seem that it is the standard procedures of the LFB to retain residents in their properties when there is a fire in a tower block and it would seem that regulation (right or wrong) does not have a subsection relating to action changes dependant on the race of the resident.
Whilst changes to LFB standard procedure when dealing with Tower Block fires will need to be reviewed and possibly changed; I think Baroness Lawrence should withdraw her racist remarks and apologise for making her comments which stain the report of amazing bravery of the men & women of the London Fire Brigade many of who risk their own lives to save others in that same fire.
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by Derbiean » Wed Oct 30 2019 4:52pm
Will Boris Johnson apologise for when as mayor of London he closed down 10 fire stations, cut 30 fire engines and 500 firefighters?
https://twitter.com/GavLynch2/status/11 ... 3523035137
It is also disgusting how boro boy tries to make it all about something a new labour peer said but I shouldn't be surprised at this point.
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by Boro Boy » Wed Oct 30 2019 11:00pm
Derbiean wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30 2019 4:52pm
Will Boris Johnson apologise for when as mayor of London he closed down 10 fire stations, cut 30 fire engines and 500 firefighters?
https://twitter.com/GavLynch2/status/11 ... 3523035137
It is also disgusting how boro boy tries to make it all about something a new labour peer said but I shouldn't be surprised at this point.
No you shouldn't be surprised at me highlighting racist comments from a Labour peer, or elsewhere; you should now perhaps start looking at the building regulators rather than turn your scorn at the LFB as it was not the numbers of firemen that effected the spread of fire and resultant loss of lives but the placement of the cladding on the tower block, along with perhaps LFB tactics, which would normally have worked if normal compartmentalisation have of been intact.
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by blythburgh » Thu Oct 31 2019 8:43am
This was a huge incident that got lots of publicity. But how many fires were worse than they could have been due to Mayor Johnson's reductions of fire stations, fire engines and firefighters.
That is just one of the appalling decisions this buffoon has made over his journalistic and political career
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