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The Scots want to choose their own path with the EU.parchedpeas wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19 2019 12:35pmBut a majority of Scots want to remain in the EU. And Johnson is taking them out against their will.
They deserve the right to say aye or nae.
Not everyone voted for a party because of their brexit policies.blythburgh wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19 2019 12:27pmDespite what you say, Boris, the majority of those who vote in the country voted for pro Remain candidates despite you getting a majority.
And despite what you say, Nicola, an even bigger majority of those who voted in Scotland voted for parties who do not want Scottish Independence.
Remember if it had been a referendum not an election Remain in the EU and remain in the UK would have won hands down.
The politicians should remember seats won is not the same as total votes for your party or else the next election national or local could give your party a good hiding.
We've been here before, Mrs blythburgh. Labour's fudged position means that you can't draw any conclusions about their candidates' preferences. Equally, Boris's insistence that Tory candidates pledged support for the withdrawal bill doesn't mean that all Conservatives elected are pro-leave.blythburgh wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19 2019 12:27pmDespite what you say, Boris, the majority of those who vote in the country voted for pro Remain candidates despite you getting a majority.
True... sort of. The only people who voted for Boris are the 25,000 people in his Uxbridge constituency who chose him as their MP and about 100,000 Conservative party members who voted for him to be leader. A very tiny minority of the electorate.blythburgh wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20 2019 9:39amBut we are were we are but I repeat the Party Leaders must remember that only a minority of voters in their country voted for them.
If we had PR might have been a different outcome but that horse has bolted and I blame the then LibDem leadership for that. It should have been held on a day when it was just a referendum not tacked onto a Council election. But the Tory supporting media and the Tory machine would have made sure they frightened people into voting no of course. I cannot see anyone finding the horse for many years so we are stuck with first past the post for many, many years to come.pabenny wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20 2019 10:41amTrue... sort of. The only people who voted for Boris are the 25,000 people in his Uxbridge constituency who chose him as their MP and about 100,000 Conservative party members who voted for him to be leader. A very tiny minority of the electorate.blythburgh wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20 2019 9:39amBut we are were we are but I repeat the Party Leaders must remember that only a minority of voters in their country voted for them.
If what you actually mean is that neither the Conservatives in the UK as a whole nor SNP in Scotland got a an overall majority of votes cast, that's a different point. If we had PR and if people still voted in the same way, the winning party would not have an overall majority. But we can't assume that some form of PR would not change voting patterns.
I agree that governments should govern for the whole country and not just their own supporters. But that is true whatever the distribution of votes.
FWIW, in all the elections since WW2, no party forming a government did so with a majority of votes cast.blythburgh wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20 2019 9:39am... the Party Leaders must remember that only a minority of voters in their country voted for them.
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