Brexit law changes in the offfing.

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Brexit law changes in the offfing.

Post by blythburgh » Mon Sep 07 2020 7:56am

So the Govt.wants to change the part of the Brexit agreement it agreed on re Northern Ireland with a new law.

No wonder the French keep muttering "Perfidious Albion".

And the buffoon and his puppet master cannot even blame Theresa May as they signed off on the one set of rules for GB and one for Northern Ireland.
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Post by parchedpeas » Mon Sep 07 2020 1:06pm

May's deal was far superior to this. And she was a much much better PM. And I say that as someone who could never vote for her.
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Post by macliam » Mon Sep 07 2020 2:50pm

Perhaps now people will understand why the Border situation was such a sticking point - and why the Irish government could never trust Westminster to "do the right thing", unless forced. If the UK changes the rerms of the WA, it will renege on an international treaty and threaten the GFI, but it seems that this means little to some in Government.

However, it is the history of Anglo-Irish relations that nothing has ever been given willingly....... but that the UK has been forced to comply in the end. It refused to recognize a democratic vote for independence in the 1918 general election, but had to cede control in the end. It then tried to tie Ireland into the Empire as a Dominion and rule through a governor-general, until the Republic was declared in 1937. It still tried to keep Royal Navy control of Irish ports, but couldn't upset the USA. It tried to maintain Irish hereditary titles and estates...... All these things have passed into history. Now, if it re-imposes a border it may drive the six counties towards their own independence.... because even the Loyalists can see that Westminster would throw them under a bus, if it was to their advantage.
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Re: Brexit law changes in the offfing.

Post by BeautifulSunshine » Mon Sep 07 2020 6:34pm

The plot thickens.
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Re: Brexit law changes in the offfing.

Post by blythburgh » Tue Sep 08 2020 10:15am

macliam wrote:
Mon Sep 07 2020 2:50pm
Perhaps now people will understand why the Border situation was such a sticking point - and why the Irish government could never trust Westminster to "do the right thing", unless forced. If the UK changes the rerms of the WA, it will renege on an international treaty and threaten the GFI, but it seems that this means little to some in Government.

However, it is the history of Anglo-Irish relations that nothing has ever been given willingly....... but that the UK has been forced to comply in the end. It refused to recognize a democratic vote for independence in the 1918 general election, but had to cede control in the end. It then tried to tie Ireland into the Empire as a Dominion and rule through a governor-general, until the Republic was declared in 1937. It still tried to keep Royal Navy control of Irish ports, but couldn't upset the USA. It tried to maintain Irish hereditary titles and estates...... All these things have passed into history. Now, if it re-imposes a border it may drive the six counties towards their own independence.... because even the Loyalists can see that Westminster would throw them under a bus, if it was to their advantage.
Did the blood shed by "Roman Catholics", "Protestants" and those on the mainland mean nothing? Does this Govt. really want to back to the bad old days?

I can but pray they will blink and not wreck the peace that has largely descended on the whole island of Ireland, north and south. Not as good as I would like but so much better than before the current peace agreement.
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Re: Brexit law changes in the offfing.

Post by Chadwick » Tue Sep 08 2020 1:30pm

This is the 'oven ready' agreement that Boris was elected on.
Whether you voted for him or not, you absolutely cannot trust him to keep his word on anything. He will betray your vote without a moment's hesitation.

If you in any way thought Brexit would make the UK a better place to live, then you have been mislead, as Boris & co seem determined to prove. If you voted for Boris thinking he would do anything except a ruinous no deal, then you were mislead.

I think the only people who can knowingly and honestly say "I knew what I was voting for" are those who wanted a no deal outcome at any cost (even prepared to sacrifice their own jobs), and those who just wanted to get the foreigners out, again at any cost to themselves or their country.
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Post by Sarah » Tue Sep 08 2020 4:12pm

'Brexit deal never made sense’ says man who negotiated it, signed it, prevented MPs from scrutinising it, campaigned for it and won a general election on the back of it
https://twitter.com/haveigotnews/status ... 8179380224
Brandon Lewis confirms the Government will break international law
https://twitter.com/AdamJSchwarz/status ... 0329740288
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Re: Brexit law changes in the offfing.

Post by Chadwick » Tue Sep 08 2020 9:22pm

It is a new low for Boris and this Brexit government.
And I have no doubt they will go further still to deliver a Brexit that no one wanted and we were specifically told we would not get.
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Re: Brexit law changes in the offfing.

Post by parchedpeas » Tue Sep 08 2020 9:37pm

Deeply ashamed of the mess we're in. And utterly helpless to do anything about it.

Does a normal, sane, reasonable Conservative MP not fancy stepping forwards and challenging this oaf? He's totally out of his depth and we're all going to suffer for it. There are good and worthy people on the Conservative benches. Why are they not speaking out?
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Re: Brexit law changes in the offfing.

Post by sanity clause » Wed Sep 09 2020 7:26am

parchedpeas wrote:
Tue Sep 08 2020 9:37pm
Deeply ashamed of the mess we're in. And utterly helpless to do anything about it.

Does a normal, sane, reasonable Conservative MP not fancy stepping forwards and challenging this oaf? He's totally out of his depth and we're all going to suffer for it. There are good and worthy people on the Conservative benches. Why are they not speaking out?
Probably because they want to keep their jobs. :thumbdown:
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