Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by Sarah » Tue Dec 08 2020 8:59pm

On the deal...
It is this: the UK will give up wealth in exchange for sovereignty.
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by Sarah » Sun Dec 13 2020 5:56pm

Alex Andreou
Everyone at the Commission is quite confused. The current offer to the UK is a deal in which IF we align, we get full access. IF, in future, we diverge they limit access or put up (some) tariffs. The UK choosing to go to NO access and FULL tariffs NOW, is incomprehensible.

This has led people to split into two camps: There is one school of thought, that Johnson really is utterly clueless. His behaviour at the UVDL dinner last night (a car crash, apparently), has fed that impression. This makes people not want to do business with this government.

The second school of thought, is that Johnson negotiated in bad faith throughout. That his aim was always No Deal and he simply strung 27 countries along, at the expense of a huge amount of work, effort and expense. This makes them not want to do business with this government.
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by Chadwick » Sun Dec 13 2020 6:20pm

Sarah wrote:
Sun Dec 13 2020 5:56pm
Alex Andreou
Everyone at the Commission is quite confused. The current offer to the UK is a deal in which IF we align, we get full access. IF, in future, we diverge they limit access or put up (some) tariffs. The UK choosing to go to NO access and FULL tariffs NOW, is incomprehensible.

This has led people to split into two camps: There is one school of thought, that Johnson really is utterly clueless. His behaviour at the UVDL dinner last night (a car crash, apparently), has fed that impression. This makes people not want to do business with this government.

The second school of thought, is that Johnson negotiated in bad faith throughout. That his aim was always No Deal and he simply strung 27 countries along, at the expense of a huge amount of work, effort and expense. This makes them not want to do business with this government.
Full text:
https://unrollthread.com/t/1337437325979246593/
https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1 ... 46593?s=20
I think Johnson, like May, genuinely believed there was a deal to be had.
The difference is that May recognised there would be give and take, whereas Johnson somehow believes he can have his cake and eat it.

But Alex Andreou is right. We could sign up for a deal whereby we get access when our standards align with the EU, and we can CHOOSE to differ and pay the resultant tarif. We get the option. To throw that option away in favour of always paying more, whether we align or not, is the absolute worst outcome we could achieve. In fact, it's the opposite of achieve. The Charge of the Light Brigade was more successful.
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by BeautifulSunshine » Mon Dec 14 2020 12:18am

Not the best starting, what does the future hold?
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by Sarah » Mon Dec 14 2020 11:02am

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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by BeautifulSunshine » Mon Dec 14 2020 6:56pm

Sarah wrote:
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It would be funny if it didn't have such serious implications for our future.
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by blythburgh » Tue Dec 15 2020 9:15am

Fishing: fishing quotas were sold, boats used for the oil/gas industry or sold to other European countries. Inshore fishermen (go out and back within 24 hours) have been shortchanged every time the quotas are handed out. Boat owners have to turn to Europe to get crew as not enough Brits will do the job.

And as a friend could tell you, fish stocks are not that healthy anywhere (and he is one of the top bods at CEFAS).

But destroying other businesses will be worth it, won't it?

I am not angry with those who voted leave, I am angry with those who pushed Brexit knowing it was the best way they could line their own pockets. I am angry with those who pushed Brexit and then move their factories abroad.
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by Sarah » Wed Dec 16 2020 1:50pm

So, here we go. The "level playing field" has been rebranded as "managed divergence" for the benefit of UK audiences. No substantial change from where the negotiating positions were months ago, however Johnson can now sell it to his cultists as a "win" (despite having capitulated) and the deal is almost done...

https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/statu ... 56292?s=20
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by BeautifulSunshine » Wed Dec 16 2020 6:09pm

Sarah wrote:
Wed Dec 16 2020 1:50pm
So, here we go. The "level playing field" has been rebranded as "managed divergence" for the benefit of UK audiences. No substantial change from where the negotiating positions were months ago, however Johnson can now sell it to his cultists as a "win" (despite having capitulated) and the deal is almost done...

https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/statu ... 56292?s=20
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Re: Impact of no-deal Brexit on grocery prices

Post by Chadwick » Thu Dec 17 2020 8:27am

Sarah wrote:
Wed Dec 16 2020 1:50pm
So, here we go. The "level playing field" has been rebranded as "managed divergence" for the benefit of UK audiences. No substantial change from where the negotiating positions were months ago, however Johnson can now sell it to his cultists as a "win" (despite having capitulated) and the deal is almost done...

https://twitter.com/BBCkatyaadler/statu ... 56292?s=20

Pretty predictable. Even I got this right.
Chadwick wrote:We could sign up for a deal whereby we get access when our standards align with the EU, and we can CHOOSE to differ and pay the resultant tarif. We get the option. To throw that option away in favour of always paying more, whether we align or not, is the absolute worst outcome we could achieve. In fact, it's the opposite of achieve. The Charge of the Light Brigade was more successful.
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