Is the TV licence fee worth the money?

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Re: Is the TV licence fee worth the money?

Post by pabenny » Fri Jul 30 2021 5:44pm

Sarah wrote:
Fri Jul 30 2021 2:30pm
There are many services the BBC provides that are unmatched by commercial rivals
In no particular order, to name just a few

Excellent children's tv
Lots of education support normally, increased significantly during lockdown
Soft power from World Service radio
Support for new music
Coverage of national events
BBC Parliament
No adverts
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Re: Is the TV licence fee worth the money?

Post by Chadwick » Fri Jul 30 2021 9:36pm

planteria wrote:
Fri Jul 30 2021 1:20pm
i think it's days of being reformed drastically are long overdue. their pervy agenda has been pushed too hard for too long, and yet we've (most of us) been forced to pay for it. still amazing that so many political decisions have gone against them, with their volume and reach, but all credit to the people of the UK for seeing through it all :clap:.

this is extraordinary stuff :think:

What is their "pervy agenda"?

One strange thing abut the BBC is that those on the left think it is a right wing government mouthpiece, whilst those on the right think it is a socialist woke do-gooder. If they're both right then the BBC would seem to have a good breadth of representation and views.
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Re: Is the TV licence fee worth the money?

Post by rayf » Fri Jul 30 2021 11:39pm

Its definitely worth the money but we shouldn't need to pay. They could put on a few paying commercials instead of constantly advertising their own stuff. They also get a lot of revenue from the sale and licencing of their programmes both in this country and all around the world.
They need someone in charge who undertsands life!
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Re: Is the TV licence fee worth the money?

Post by Chadwick » Sat Jul 31 2021 3:58pm

rayf wrote:
Fri Jul 30 2021 11:39pm
Its definitely worth the money but we shouldn't need to pay. They could put on a few paying commercials instead of constantly advertising their own stuff. They also get a lot of revenue from the sale and licencing of their programmes both in this country and all around the world.
They need someone in charge who undertsands life!
One of the USPs of the BBC is that there are no adverts to interrupt the show.
Also, the commercial channels "advertise their own stuff" just as much as the BBC. Possibly more so, since they have to attract viewers in order to attract advertisers and maintain the value of the advertising space.

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Re: Is the TV licence fee worth the money?

Post by rayf » Sun Aug 01 2021 12:15am

Chadwick wrote:
Sat Jul 31 2021 3:58pm
rayf wrote:
Fri Jul 30 2021 11:39pm
Its definitely worth the money but we shouldn't need to pay. They could put on a few paying commercials instead of constantly advertising their own stuff. They also get a lot of revenue from the sale and licencing of their programmes both in this country and all around the world.
They need someone in charge who undertsands life!
One of the USPs of the BBC is that there are no adverts to interrupt the show.
Also, the commercial channels "advertise their own stuff" just as much as the BBC. Possibly more so, since they have to attract viewers in order to attract advertisers and maintain the value of the advertising space.
I think you may have missed the point.
Adverts do not have to interupt the show. They can easily be shown between shows.
Who cares what the commercial channels (freeview) do? They are not charging a fee to watch them.
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Re: Is the TV licence fee worth the money?

Post by Sarah » Sun Aug 01 2021 12:49am

The majority of commercial channels have both subscription arrangements and adverts. Those in the UK that only have adverts either survive on relatively small budgets or benefit from universal availability like ITV and C4, but even ITV isn't so profitable anymore and commercial channels would suffer if they had to compete with the BBC for advertising revenue. It simply wouldn't be possible to run the BBC having adverts only between programmes without massive cuts to services and quality.
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Re: Is the TV licence fee worth the money?

Post by Chadwick » Sun Aug 01 2021 8:04pm

rayf wrote:
Sun Aug 01 2021 12:15am
Chadwick wrote:
Sat Jul 31 2021 3:58pm
rayf wrote:
Fri Jul 30 2021 11:39pm
Its definitely worth the money but we shouldn't need to pay. They could put on a few paying commercials instead of constantly advertising their own stuff. They also get a lot of revenue from the sale and licencing of their programmes both in this country and all around the world.
They need someone in charge who undertsands life!
One of the USPs of the BBC is that there are no adverts to interrupt the show.
Also, the commercial channels "advertise their own stuff" just as much as the BBC. Possibly more so, since they have to attract viewers in order to attract advertisers and maintain the value of the advertising space.
I think you may have missed the point.
Adverts do not have to interupt the show. They can easily be shown between shows.
Who cares what the commercial channels (freeview) do? They are not charging a fee to watch them.
Advertising space that can easily be avoided when watching live TV, or not recorded when taping somethingis just not as valuable as the middle of the show. More eyeballs in the middle than before/after it begins. ITV and C4 can't make it work without mid-show adverts - why would the BBC fare any better?

My point about trailers, was that you seemed to consider them a negative aspect of the BBC. I was pointing out that the commercial channels also need to show them for economic reasons. The BBC has different reasons for attracting viewers, but they all do it. Switching to a commercial model will not reduce the amount of trailers.

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Re: Is the TV licence fee worth the money?

Post by planteria » Mon Aug 02 2021 9:07am

Chadwick wrote:
Fri Jul 30 2021 9:36pm
this is extraordinary stuff :think:
:mrgreen: well done.

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Re: Is the TV licence fee worth the money?

Post by planteria » Mon Aug 02 2021 9:12am

macliam wrote:
Fri Jul 30 2021 2:27pm
:eh:
There are issues to be resolved with the Beeb..
none of that relates to what i commented was extraordinary, i assume you realise :mrgreen:
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Re: Is the TV licence fee worth the money?

Post by blythburgh » Mon Aug 02 2021 9:28am

The problem with scrapping the licence and having ads is the pot is the roughly the same size but the ads are now spread over so many areas compared to just 20 years ago. And more and more streaming TV companies are now taking a bite out of that pot.

I just cannot see how it would be to the benefit of any of the British media (in its widest sense) if the BBC joins the rush to get advertising. I feel for the poorest who have to pay the licence but cannot see an alternative that would not lead to all terrestrial channels struggling and their output becoming far far poorer.
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