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Re: This governments shenanigans

Post by Richard Frost » Mon Jan 31 2022 2:48pm

The report in full https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ons-update

There is to be a statement by Boris the clown at 15:30 in the House.

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Re: This governments shenanigans

Post by macliam » Mon Jan 31 2022 4:09pm

Richard Frost wrote:
Mon Jan 31 2022 2:48pm
The report in full https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ons-update

There is to be a statement by Boris the clown at 15:30 in the House.
Toothless.... Johnson will claim it proves him blameless, it's all down to systemic issues in Downing Street.
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Re: This governments shenanigans

Post by Richard Frost » Mon Jan 31 2022 4:17pm

macliam wrote:
Mon Jan 31 2022 4:09pm
Richard Frost wrote:
Mon Jan 31 2022 2:48pm
The report in full https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ons-update

There is to be a statement by Boris the clown at 15:30 in the House.
Toothless.... Johnson will claim it proves him blameless, it's all down to systemic issues in Downing Street.
All it has done is kicked the ball down the road. The mantra is now, wait for the police investigation and the full report.

He has acknowledged however there will be a complete reorganisation of the Downing Street office. Basically others will go, but he will stay
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Re: This governments shenanigans

Post by Chadwick » Tue Feb 01 2022 2:34pm

Richard Frost wrote:
Mon Jan 31 2022 4:17pm
macliam wrote:
Mon Jan 31 2022 4:09pm
Richard Frost wrote:
Mon Jan 31 2022 2:48pm
The report in full https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... ons-update

There is to be a statement by Boris the clown at 15:30 in the House.
Toothless.... Johnson will claim it proves him blameless, it's all down to systemic issues in Downing Street.
All it has done is kicked the ball down the road. The mantra is now, wait for the police investigation and the full report.

He has acknowledged however there will be a complete reorganisation of the Downing Street office. Basically others will go, but he will stay
Absolutely disappointing. Barely 2 pages worth reading; the rest just recaps terms of reference and the background against which these events took place.

However, it's worth noting is that having been asked in investigate 3 incidents (that Boris claimed did not flout the restrictions), Sue Gray has found a further 13 that warranted investigation, and 12 are now the subject of criminal investigation. This includes the 13th December gathering in Boris' flat, that in the House of Commons he explicitly and directly denied happened. Either he lied in Parliament or Sue and the Met are barking up the wrong tree.

Sue Gray identifies a culture of inadequate leadership that enabled these events to occur. However, that is irrelevant. The restrictions were announced and every employer had to find their own way to abide by them. My company for example was sending staff to work from home, and spacing desks out with perspex screens. Busy departments and our remote locations were staffed in shifts, so that if one shift went down, the rest would not be affected. There remains a general ban on visiting other sites unless absolutely necessary. One thing that has not happened is gathering to celebrate contract wins, birthdays, departures etc. All that was asked of Downing St was to do the same. But they thought they were exempt the restrictions - or above the law as the Met may see it.

It is important that we don't lose sight of the other problem in all this. The parties are one thing. More importantly, the prime minister has continually sought to deny, mislead or tell only part truths about them and his involvement. He has lied to parliament and to the public and cannot be trusted to either do what he says or to be honest about it afterwards. If we cannot believe his account of something as simple as where he was, how can we even believe his more important statements to substantiate policy. Why should we do as he says when we simply do not believe his rationale and cannot trust his assessment to be correct? His position is untenable, and it is ridiculous that we must wait to see if he is also a criminal before we can be shot of him.
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Re: This governments shenanigans

Post by macliam » Tue Feb 01 2022 4:52pm

Chadwick wrote:
Tue Feb 01 2022 2:34pm
Richard Frost wrote:
Mon Jan 31 2022 4:17pm
macliam wrote:
Mon Jan 31 2022 4:09pm

Toothless.... Johnson will claim it proves him blameless, it's all down to systemic issues in Downing Street.
All it has done is kicked the ball down the road. The mantra is now, wait for the police investigation and the full report.

He has acknowledged however there will be a complete reorganisation of the Downing Street office. Basically others will go, but he will stay
Absolutely disappointing. Barely 2 pages worth reading; the rest just recaps terms of reference and the background against which these events took place.

However, it's worth noting is that having been asked in investigate 3 incidents (that Boris claimed did not flout the restrictions), Sue Gray has found a further 13 that warranted investigation, and 12 are now the subject of criminal investigation. This includes the 13th December gathering in Boris' flat, that in the House of Commons he explicitly and directly denied happened. Either he lied in Parliament or Sue and the Met are barking up the wrong tree.

Sue Gray identifies a culture of inadequate leadership that enabled these events to occur. However, that is irrelevant. The restrictions were announced and every employer had to find their own way to abide by them. My company for example was sending staff to work from home, and spacing desks out with perspex screens. Busy departments and our remote locations were staffed in shifts, so that if one shift went down, the rest would not be affected. There remains a general ban on visiting other sites unless absolutely necessary. One thing that has not happened is gathering to celebrate contract wins, birthdays, departures etc. All that was asked of Downing St was to do the same. But they thought they were exempt the restrictions - or above the law as the Met may see it.

It is important that we don't lose sight of the other problem in all this. The parties are one thing. More importantly, the prime minister has continually sought to deny, mislead or tell only part truths about them and his involvement. He has lied to parliament and to the public and cannot be trusted to either do what he says or to be honest about it afterwards. If we cannot believe his account of something as simple as where he was, how can we even believe his more important statements to substantiate policy. Why should we do as he says when we simply do not believe his rationale and cannot trust his assessment to be correct? His position is untenable, and it is ridiculous that we must wait to see if he is also a criminal before we can be shot of him.
Absolutely, the parties are only a symptom of the disease. The disease is that Johnson's first instinct on being held to account is to lie. His second instinct is to blame someone else. His third instinct is to divert attention. All of this is accompanied by much bluster and inane banter. He also has a proclivity to hide behind protocol to damage his enemies, like all bullies - his barb at Starmer yesterday being a perfect example.

He is a chaotic excuse for a man who has no personal integrity and wouldn't know the truth if it bit him. However, it is those who supported him that need censure...... they too share in his lack of integrity. Hopefully he will soon be gone and can drag Raab, Patel, Hancock and all the rest of his succubi down with him. Parliament may then be able to regain some measure of respect.
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Re: This governments shenanigans

Post by blythburgh » Tue Feb 01 2022 7:31pm

My MP has put in a letter to the 1922 committee after listening to his constituents and the Sue Grey report. I have never voted for him but he has always had my respect. He was even an outspoken remainer in a very pro brexit constituency
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Re: This governments shenanigans

Post by macliam » Wed Feb 02 2022 11:20pm

So, conveniently, whilst Johnson is mired up to his neck in Partygate, there's a new row about to break with Brussels.

Edwin Poots (great name), ex-leader of the DUP and Stormont Minister for Agriculture, Environment, and Rural Affairs has declared that, from midnight, there would no longer be any checks on goods entering NI from GB.... as agreed in the Protocol.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-60236169

BUT, this is not the UK breaking its own agreement say Brandon Lewis, Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, because implementing the checks is Stormont's responsibility..... the old devolution shuffle. Of course, this could have the effect of a hard border being imposed by the EU - just what the Protocol was designed to avoid, but then again, the DUP were in favour of Brexit, unlike the majority of voters in NI.

Lewis claims to have been surprised by the action, whilst busily washing his hands........ but that's odd, because Liz Truss told the DUP that the UK would not interfere if they did it when she visited NI a week or so back!

Partygate? What, when Putin and the EU are likely to invade at any second?!!!!!
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Re: This governments shenanigans

Post by Sarah » Thu Feb 10 2022 4:39pm

Truss went to Russia for a photo op and accidentally declared the UK will never recognise their sovereignty over Rostov and Voronezh... :roll:

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https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/14 ... u0UFyYUGiw

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Re: This governments shenanigans

Post by macliam » Thu Feb 10 2022 4:53pm

Yes, bit look at the coat and the hat and the photo opps!

Truss is a total liability. I presume that's why she's in the running to succeed Johnson -his administration might seem capable set against hers.... after all, he has proved he can organize a piss-up :lol:
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