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Conversely, many cyclists on country roads find an individual car to rarely be an irritant, but a group of a dozen, jockeying for position, speeding or driving aggressively on roads where there are limited chances to pass is a PITA, and occasionally fatal.macliam wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07 2022 5:59pmAn individual cyclist on a country road is rarely an irritant, but a group of a dozen, jockeying for position, coasting or riding very slowly on roads where there are very limited chances to pass, is a PITA - and it is becoming more common these days. It is a rare trip out in my rural area where I don't end up following a gaggle of bicycles at some point.
Because the road is narrow, or visibility is poor and it is not safe to overtake.
Nope, an invalid response. Horse riders, pedestrians and even the individual cyclist is really not an issue, it is the groups or leisure cyclists that cause a problem. I live in the country, I need to use local roads to move from A to B, it is not a pleasure ride for me, as I drive only when necessary and there are limited "main roads" (although actually the country roads I am talking about are B roads, not country lanes). Unlike those who live in the cities annd who have access to public transport and regular, subsidised travel, I have very limited public transport which takes many times longer because it uses circuitous routes to maximise passenger pickups. I can travel to the nearest town and from there to Ipswich (if lucky, on the same bus). So car travel is a necessity - my dentist is 12 miles away on country roads, my doctor is 3 miles away, ditto.Chadwick wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08 2022 8:25amConversely, many cyclists on country roads find an individual car to rarely be an irritant, but a group of a dozen, jockeying for position, speeding or driving aggressively on roads where there are limited chances to pass is a PITA, and occasionally fatal.macliam wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07 2022 5:59pmAn individual cyclist on a country road is rarely an irritant, but a group of a dozen, jockeying for position, coasting or riding very slowly on roads where there are very limited chances to pass, is a PITA - and it is becoming more common these days. It is a rare trip out in my rural area where I don't end up following a gaggle of bicycles at some point.
There are many different types of road user. On country roads there are pedestrians, equestrians, cyclists, farm vehicles, caravans, mopeds, light goods vehicles, buses and drivers that are lost or nervous in narrow roads. Livestock or wild animals can sometimes be present. Car drivers must take all that into account. Once you get onto busier roads, the car is king and most other traffic is kept out of the car driver's way, either through extra lanes or voluntarily.
As a cyclist, if you want to limit your risk of an accident, cycle on the quieter roads.
As a car driver, if you wish to drive as fast as possible, drive on the main roads.
No, because these cyclists are restricting everyone to their speed, obviously. Otherwise there would be hundreds of accidents a day.
I think actually what you're saying is that your rights as a car driver should override those of cyclists.
You seem very keen to put words into my mouth and claim things I haven't said... perhaps you'd be better adressing the actual points made. I have been very clear about those who I blame for the situation..... whereas you have been at pains to suggest everyone else under the sun.... mostly drivers, it seems. To be crystal, I call out those groups of cyclists, who ride for leisure and do not consider other road users..... it is rare for anyone else to cause a similar problem.pabenny wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08 2022 10:41amI think actually what you're saying is that your rights as a car driver should override those of cyclists.
You mention consideration of others...some people*, some of the time are rude, thoughtless or inconsiderate. That doesn't mean all people* are rude, thoughtless or inconsiderate all of the time.
* substitute with cyclists, car drivers, old people, young people, etc.
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