A Green Initiative gone completely wrong...!!!

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Re: A Green Initiative gone completely wrong...!!!

Post by Chadwick » Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:37 pm

expressman33 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:45 pm
interesting article here https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-30- ... hGj92fS5OA
You might want to read it first...


NASA admits that climate change occurs because of changes in Earth’s solar orbit, and NOT because of SUVs and fossil fuels
The article then goes on to explain that NASA linked climate changes to the Earth's changing orbit back in the 1950s. The article (and reality) makes no reference to NASA's position on SUVs and fossil fuels. It's not an 'admission' - it's scientists saying they think they've worked out why the Earth seems to cycle through ice ages.
deranged, climate-obsessed leftists have now begun to claim that we really only have 18 months left before the planet dies from an excess of carbon dioxide (CO2).
In the linked BBC report, deranged climate-obsessed lefty, Prince Charles, supports the view that that we have 18 months before we reach a tipping point where we can no longer reverse the climate change that human activity has brought about. Nothing about the Earth 'dying'.
This orbital change is depicted by the eccentric, oval shape in the second image, which has been intentionally exaggerated for the purpose of showing the massive change
In other words, ignore the second image. It shows you something entirely different from a) what the article is about, and b) reality. It is irrelevant. The actual variation is so small that “Even the maximum eccentricity of the Earth’s orbit – 0.07 – it would be impossible to show at the resolution of a web page,” notes the Hal Turner Radio Show.
Precession
It takes about 26,000 years for the earth to complete a full 'wobble'. That's the timescale whereby the sun impacts the climate of earth.
In 1982, six years after this study was published, the National Research Council of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences adopted Milankovitch’s theory as truth, declaring that:
“… orbital variations remain the most thoroughly examined mechanism of climatic change on time scales of tens of thousands of years and are by far the clearest case of a direct effect of changing insolation on the lower atmosphere of Earth.”
My emphasis. But it's actually right there in their own article. Climate change due to precession and orbital change take effect over tens of thousands of years. We are measuring them in 10s of years. We are not measuring the effect of orbital change.



I'm not even citing new evidence they haven't considered. Everything above is written on their article. They are ignoring the very words they are writing themselves.


tl;dr: total bollocks, the lot of it.
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Re: A Green Initiative gone completely wrong...!!!

Post by Boro Boy » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:01 pm

William Joseph1 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:08 pm
expressman33 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:45 pm
interesting article here https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-30- ... hGj92fS5OA
Why do people bother reading such tripe? Have they got nothing better to do with their time?

About the Author: https://americanloons.blogspot.com/2016 ... -huff.html

Friday, December 16, 2016
#1762: Ethan Huff
Ethan Huff is a staff writer at NaturalNews, and as such responsible for a fair proportion of the wild-eyed conspiracy theories and insane pseudoscience peddled there. Huff is perhaps most notable for his anti-vaccine articles, e.g. this one on gardasil, which is based on some of Sharyl Attkisson’s rants, but adds some extra conspiracy theories, viz. that when certain people he thought were going to support the anti-vaccine cause turned out not to, it must be because either i) Big Pharma got to them, or ii) they are mentally ill; yes, that’s how things go down in the epistemic abyss that is NaturalNews. As for his article “H1N1 vaccine linked to 700 percent increase in miscarriages,” well, it was based on the “research” by Eileen Dannemann – indeed, his only source is Dannemann; although several sources are listed, they are all based exhaustively on her. We have encountered Dannemann before. We have encountered other examples of misusing the VAERS database before, too, but Dannemann’s idiocy still manages to impress (she got some anecdotes, too, as well as her own press release – which she cited in her own “research”).

Huff has also weighed in on the scientific process. In particular, after a debate at the British Royal Society, where Richard Smith, former editor of the British Medical Journal (now The BMJ), took the role of attacking the current processes of research dissemination and hyperbolically called the peer review process a “sacred cow” ready to “slaughtered” Huff took it the only way someone in his cognitive situation could, and the result was the article “‘Sacred cow’ of industry science cult should be slaughtered for the good of humanity, BMJ editor says.” Of course, people like Huff really don’t like peer review, which is a process inherently biased against pseudoscientific, unsupported nonsense dreamed up by people with little understanding of the field they are trying to engage with. Apart from that, I don’t think Huff’s article needs much comment.

It seems to illustrate a common strategy of Huff’s, though: Pick up some anecdotes, quackery, or anti-science covered somewhere else and, if necessary, add some conspiracy theories before covering it on NaturalNews – here is (a commentary on) Huff reporting a very, very dubious breast cancer testimonial reported in The Sun - dubious, in that the person in question, though praising altmed quackery for her recovery, was in fact cured – to the extent she was – by conventional medicine. Or just go for the tinfoil-hat-level conspiracies: In a preemptive review of the movie Contagion, based on the trailer, Huff penned “Hollywood begins mass brainwashing campaign to get people ready for the next bioengineered virus release.” No seriously: “The entertainment industry is no stranger to government propaganda campaigns, and the latest Hollywood flicks are no exception. A quick look at the trailer for the upcoming release of the movie Contagion reveals what appears to be a massive brainwashing campaign designed to prepare the American psyche for the next [!] intentional release of a bioengineered virus – and it also conveniently and subtly programs viewers into accepting the idea that vaccines might be the solution to a major, devastating disease outbreak.” And you have no idea how deep the conspiracy goes: You may not have noticed, but Huff has, that the themes of major movie releases over the past several decades are predictive of what ends up taking place not too long afterwards, which clearly shows “that Hollywood is deeply connected to the agendas of those that are now in control of various world governments, including the US government.” For instance, the movie Armageddon clearly predicted 9/11 since it mentioned the possibility of an asteroid hitting New York, and that proves that the government masterminded 9/11 and that Hollywood is in on it. Reflect on that, sheeple!

Meanwhile, Huff is doing his best to protect you from the big bad wolves in the name of “health freedom”. Huff has for instance promoted, and urged his readers to tell Congress to support, a bill entitled the “Free Speech About Science” (FSAS) Act of 2011, which curbs the FDA’s powers to hold supplement manufacturers accountable for the health benefits of the snakeoil they make – basically that such companies’s right to “free speech” means that they shouldn’t be forced to back up their claims with evidence (“the bill will amend current law to allow growers and manufacturers to freely share honest information about food and supplements with their customers,” according to Huff). Clearly, stopping poor supplement manufacturers from falsely advertising their products is an abuse of the health freedom of average Americans. (Defense of supplement manufacturers is a recurring theme of Huff’s).

You get the gist. Here Huff and J.D. Heyes creates a couple of year-end lists for Natural News: their 2015 Journalist Courage Awards and their 2015 Celebrity Hall of Shame Awards. Guess where the science-based stuff ended up.
Funny! NASA quotes are gospel when it fits the Green agenda but when it doesn't: "Why do people bother reading such tripe?"... Keeps us all smiling... :wave:

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Re: A Green Initiative gone completely wrong...!!!

Post by William Joseph1 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:17 pm

Chadwick wrote:
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tl;dr: total bollocks, the lot of it.
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Re: A Green Initiative gone completely wrong...!!!

Post by Boro Boy » Sun Sep 08, 2019 11:30 pm

William Joseph1 wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:17 pm
Chadwick wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 6:37 pm
tl;dr: total bollocks, the lot of it.
Boro Boy wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:01 pm
Funny! NASA quotes are gospel when it fits the Green agenda but when it doesn't: "Why do people bother reading such tripe?"... Keeps us all smiling... :wave:
:wave:

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Re: A Green Initiative gone completely wrong...!!!

Post by Chadwick » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:35 am

Boro Boy wrote:
Sun Sep 08, 2019 10:01 pm
Funny! NASA quotes are gospel when it fits the Green agenda but when it doesn't: "Why do people bother reading such tripe?"... Keeps us all smiling... :wave:
Go on, I'll bite.

Which NASA quote are you referring to?
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Re: A Green Initiative gone completely wrong...!!!

Post by pabenny » Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:17 am

Chadwick wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:35 am
Go on, I'll bite.
I resisted.

Some discussion in these pages reminds me of that adage about not arguing with an idiot. (To be clear before anyone gets on their high horse, I'm not calling anyone an idiot)

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Re: A Green Initiative gone completely wrong...!!!

Post by Chadwick » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:26 pm

pabenny wrote:
Mon Sep 09, 2019 9:17 am
Some discussion in these pages reminds me of that adage about not arguing with an idiot. (To be clear before anyone gets on their high horse, I'm not calling anyone an idiot)
Or indeed the adage that when you are dead, you don't know that you are dead. It is difficult only for others. It is the same when you are stupid.

(And likewise, I am not saying anyone here is dead.)
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Re: A Green Initiative gone completely wrong...!!!

Post by Boro Boy » Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:31 pm

Arrogant Green Lobby pollute our planet: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/empoweri ... spartanntp

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Re: A Green Initiative gone completely wrong...!!!

Post by blythburgh » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:07 am

Boro Boy wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:31 pm
Arrogant Green Lobby pollute our planet: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/empoweri ... spartanntp
No, big businesses who do not want to spend more than they have to. A Netherlands company produces the items to prevent this but I guess it is more expensive.
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Re: A Green Initiative gone completely wrong...!!!

Post by pabenny » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:19 am

Boro Boy wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:31 pm
Arrogant Green Lobby pollute our planet: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/empoweri ... spartanntp
Given that you seem to think that climate change is not real - or at least not caused by humans, I'm surprised you find this noteworthy. Or is it just a poorly-informed attempt to criticise envrionmentalists?
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